Age of the earth

[fantome profane]

I'm not saying scientists are stupid(I apologize if it came across that way) They're incredible and I'm VERY greatful for all the stuff they've contributed to society. Also I respect the scientific method, and I agree God wants us to study the universe he created. However we should base all our beliefs about the world on what the bible says. And according to it this planet is only about 6,000yrs old. The view of an old earth isn't biblical.

The science that tells us that the earth is 4.5 billion years old is the very same science that allow your computer to work. Right this very instant you are using quantum mechanics to read this message that has been sent to you, and those are the very same scientific principles that are used in determining the age of rocks.

 

[The_Evelyonian]

No I would not and doens't the Qu'rahn contradict itself? The bible NEVER contradicts itself. If a book contradicts ITSELF then it CAN'T be true.

The Bible contradicts itself a number of times. - SAB Contradictions

I'm sorry about the circular reasoning but AGAIN if there was something that showed the bible was true that would be superior. How should I word that logically?

You can't because it's not logical, IMO. The fact that X proves Y does not make X superior to Y.

I'm not really sure why you believe that something that could prove the Bible true would therefore become superior to the Bible That doesn't really make any sense to me.

 

[Vadergirl123]

The Bible contradicts itself a number of times. - SAB Contradictions



You can't because it's not logical, IMO. The fact that X proves Y does not make X superior to Y.

I'm not really sure why you believe that something that could prove the Bible true would therefore become superior to the Bible That doesn't really make any sense to me.

Are you actually interested in seeing that all those examples DON'T show that the bible contradicts itself? If so I don't mind spending time and research to show you, but I don't want to watse the time if you could care less As to the logical thing I'll post something about it hold on. (I don't know hwo to reply to only certain quotes)

 

[EnochSDP]

God has always been here yes, but he CREATED the EARTH 6,000 yrs ago (Genesis 1:1) The earth isn't ageless. What do you think the term "in the begining " means? It means the begining of the earth and heavens.

in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth.then it is formless an void.
Yes God created the beginning,the heavens, and the earth.but there is a gap.

do you think God created formless and void things.By my inderstanding God creates things perfect from the beginning but they become imperfect?

 

[EnochSDP]

The Bible contradicts itself a number of times. - SAB Contradictions

You can't because it's not logical, IMO. The fact that X proves Y does not make X superior to Y.

I'm not really sure why you believe that something that could prove the Bible true would therefore become superior to the Bible That doesn't really make any sense to me.

Hey Evelyonian disprove the Bible?you certainly like to disprove it but you have not yet.You claim that it is crazy for us to believe in God and the Bible when it has never been disproven and true people of God are blessed by God.You could not know nothing on that topic.How pityful are you to sit around disfuting a book that you claim is not correct.the fact you have to find little simple so called errors makes me believe in it more.Why would someone want to defute something that doesnt exist?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

Are you actually interested in seeing that all those examples DON'T show that the bible contradicts itself? If so I don't mind spending time and research to show you, but I don't want to watse the time if you could care less

Sure, feel free. I'd be interested in seeing what you've got to say

As to the logical thing I'll post something about it hold on. (I don't know hwo to reply to only certain quotes)

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[The_Evelyonian]

Hey Evelyonian disprove the Bible?

Not my job.

you certainly like to disprove it but you have not yet.

Nor am I trying to.

You claim that it is crazy for us to believe in God and the Bible

Point out ONE place where I ever said those words or admit that you're a liar.

when it has never been disproven and true people of God are blessed by God.

Which god?

You could not know nothing on that topic.

I've studied the Bible in excruciating depth and I'm a former believer, so I do know a thing or two.

How pityful are you to sit around disfuting a book that you claim is not correct.

Nice ad hominem.

the fact you have to find little simple so called errors makes me believe in it more. Why would someone want to defute something that doesnt exist?

Hmm, do you suppose people make laws based upon what their religious beliefs tell them? Do you suppose they vote along those lines? Do you suppose those laws and those votes might affect the rest of us. even the non-believers? Yes, what possible reason could silly ol' me have to dispute these ideas.

 

[Twilight Hue]

NOWHERE does the bible stae ANYWHERE that it's not true. It says the EXACT opposite( John 17:17) Please tell me the verse where it says otherwise?

There is nothing veryifing the Bibles content as being true as it's written out, other than fellow human beings who share your view . I was relaying my condolences by which this is all that you got. Nothing else is ever going to help you with validation regarding the Bible's "truth" and claims outside the scope other than human intervention alone . I'm afraid there is nothing that can be ever done about it.

 

[EnochSDP]

Not my job.You sure appear like you want to make the Bible untrue and incorrect.If not my apologies.



Nor am I trying to.You are continuesly trying to,admit it!



Point out ONE place where I ever said those words or admit that you're a liar.I have had a convo with you most of the day and yes you try to defute the Bible and/or God.My words may not be yours but you and I know thats what your doing.



Which god?The Biblical God,God of the jews-hebrews,Elohim,YHWH



I've studied the Bible in excruciating depth and I'm a former believer, so I do know a thing or two.Regardless how much you study of God is not inside you working with you it is useless.By you being a former believer shows you do not have the ability to understand inspiration from the Biblical God.



Nice ad hominem.Thanks



Hmm, do you suppose people make laws based upon what their religious beliefs tell them? Do you suppose they vote along those lines? Do you suppose those laws and those votes might affect the rest of us. even the non-believers? Yes, what possible reason could silly ol' me have to dispute these ideas.

I agree here,many wrongs have been committed in the name of God though that doesnt mean they were acting for God.

 

[shawn001]

:yes:I believe the bible is the absolute authority on everything. And according to what it says the world is about 6,000 yrs old

Vadergirl, where in the bible does it say how old the earth is or that the earth is 6000 years old.

There are living things on earth older and there also events that have been witnessed by humans that are older.

Have you ever look at the moon? Does it have craters in it and how did they get there and when?

Also what is a solar system?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

I agree here,many wrongs have been committed in the name of God though that doesnt mean they were acting for God.

I never said they were. What I said was that people are actively trying to change the system to bring it more into balance with the way their religion tells them it should be. The changes that they make will affect everyone, including those of us who do not share their religion. That is one reason, but not the only reason, that I dispute these ideas.

 

[EnochSDP]

I never said they were. What I said was that people are actively trying to change the system to bring it more into balance with the way their religion tells them it should be. The changes that they make will affect everyone, including those of us who do not share their religion. That is one reason, but not the only reason, that I dispute these ideas.

You dispute the church or the Bible?I dispute todays forms of church,you do not know which is which.I stay in the Bible not inside a building with people telling me how I suppose to act when I read the Bible and know what it says.You are right todays christian church is the result of romans and thier grip on the world, it has spun from there.I believe in Jesus and the Bible not a religion or church.I believe, i do not need a church to tell me what God puts inside me.

Why dont you believe the bible?and God?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

You dispute the church or the Bible?

Both. People are using what the Bible says as an excuse to strip basic rights away from others, and many churches (though I freely admit, not all) endorse this practice.

Why dont you believe the bible?and God?

The Bible? Because there's quite a bit of it that's demonstrably false.

God? No evidence.

 

[EnochSDP]

Both. People are using what the Bible says as an excuse to strip basic rights away from others, and many churches (though I freely admit, not all) endorse this practice.

i agree.

The Bible? Because there's quite a bit of it that's demonstrably false.
examples: and come better than misunderstandings in languages.or animals that couldve become exstinct.Or explainations that could be interpretated different from person to person.Science cant dispute God since God is outside of science.If you know much at all you know Gods is outside science that we know.

God? No evidence.

No evidence huh?how can you and I have this discussion with intellect?Being that the universe became without intelligence.you can never become intelligent from unintelligent.Also God does not fall in this catergory because His knowledge is to us ultimate knowledge.Therefore God is not within discussion about having to be created himself or taught himself.How can all the designs in life come from crude matter?When man the only creature that can create things from matter creates things it is crude not beautiful as nature.How can all our planets,sun,and moon be in perfect position?Considering that in space there is not requirement to stay in thier places but they do it is like they are obediant.Man gods jewel has so many things that differ from all other animals that makes it hard to believe we formed from basic evolution.How come if we evolved we do not find animals bones from evolution?How can we find so many dino from billions of years but yet to find evolutionary bones?HGow come no scientist says that thier conclusions are based on faith.They find something,run exsperiments then give a conclusion on whats going on.they do not know for sure but they believe that is what happened.thats science.Though science must fail to proceed.The bible has not ever failed.You take the path thta God himself wrote the Bible but he didnt, he inspired it,therefore a man wrote and there is man made errors.God showed visions and the prophets wrote what they thought about the visions.Though without a doubt by the claims and predictions confirms it is something on the inspirer could know.The inspirer had to be before time and knew these things and showed it the prophets.
Basically you can not physically prove God, by a relationship with him you can know he exist,I do.You cant possibly because you have lack of faith and belief.What you can do is look at all the factors of life and it shows that it couldve not happened by chance.to be factual the big bang requires more faith than the bible.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Ah, I see.

Show of hands : who here believes the Earth is flat? Who here believes the Sun revolves around the Earth, and not the Earth revolving around the Sun?

Anyone?

 

[shawn001]

No evidence huh?how can you and I have this discussion with intellect?Being that the universe became without intelligence.you can never become intelligent from unintelligent.Also God does not fall in this catergory because His knowledge is to us ultimate knowledge.Therefore God is not within discussion about having to be created himself or taught himself.How can all the designs in life come from crude matter?When man the only creature that can create things from matter creates things it is crude not beautiful as nature.How can all our planets,sun,and moon be in perfect position?Considering that in space there is not requirement to stay in thier places but they do it is like they are obediant.Man gods jewel has so many things that differ from all other animals that makes it hard to believe we formed from basic evolution.How come if we evolved we do not find animals bones from evolution?How can we find so many dino from billions of years but yet to find evolutionary bones?HGow come no scientist says that thier conclusions are based on faith.They find something,run exsperiments then give a conclusion on whats going on.they do not know for sure but they believe that is what happened.thats science.Though science must fail to proceed.The bible has not ever failed.You take the path thta God himself wrote the Bible but he didnt, he inspired it,therefore a man wrote and there is man made errors.God showed visions and the prophets wrote what they thought about the visions.Though without a doubt by the claims and predictions confirms it is something on the inspirer could know.The inspirer had to be before time and knew these things and showed it the prophets.
Basically you can not physically prove God, by a relationship with him you can know he exist,I do.You cant possibly because you have lack of faith and belief.What you can do is look at all the factors of life and it shows that it couldve not happened by chance.to be factual the big bang requires more faith than the bible.

You did actually say this?

"How come if we evolved we do not find animals bones from evolution?"

LOL

"big bang requires more faith than the bible"

LOL again

We know for a fact the universe is expanding and expanded from a very hot dense state. Especially since we have pictures.

This was in 2003

First Year Results on the Oldest Light in the Universe

"NASA RELEASES STUNNING IMAGES OF OUR INFANT UNIVERSE

NASA today released the best "baby picture" of the Universe ever taken; the image contains such stunning detail that it may be one of the most important scientific results of recent years.

Scientists using NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP), during a sweeping 12-month observation of the entire sky, captured the new cosmic portrait, capturing the afterglow of the big bang, called the cosmic microwave background.

"We've captured the infant universe in sharp focus, and from this portrait we can now describe the universe with unprecedented accuracy," said Dr. Charles L. Bennett of the Goddard Space Flight Center (GSFC), Greenbelt Md., and the WMAP Principal Investigator. "The data are solid, a real gold mine," he said.

One of the biggest surprises revealed in the data is the first generation of stars to shine in the universe first ignited only 200 million years after the big bang, much earlier than many scientists had expected.

In addition, the new portrait precisely pegs the age of the universe at 13.7 billion years old, with a remarkably small one percent margin of error.

The WMAP team found that the big bang and Inflation theories continue to ring true. The contents of the universe include 4 percent atoms (ordinary matter), 23 percent of an unknown type of dark matter, and 73 percent of a mysterious dark energy. The new measurements even shed light on the nature of the dark energy, which acts as a sort of an anti-gravity.

"These numbers represent a milestone in how we view our universe," said Dr. Anne Kinney, NASA director for astronomy and physics. "This is a true turning point for cosmology."

The light we see today, as the cosmic microwave background, has traveled over 13 billion years to reach us. Within this light are infinitesimal patterns that mark the seeds of what later grew into clusters of galaxies and the vast structure we see all around us.

Patterns in the big bang afterglow were frozen in place only 380,000 years after the big bang, a number nailed down by this latest observation. These patterns are tiny temperature differences within this extraordinarily evenly dispersed microwave light bathing the universe, which now averages a frigid 2.73 degrees above absolute zero temperature. WMAP resolves slight temperature fluctuations, which vary by only millionths of a degree."

WMAP 1 Year Mission Results Press Release


"Being that the universe became without intelligence.you can never become intelligent from unintelligent."

When volcanoes form are they formed by intelligence? What about planets or stars?

All of the heavy metals in your body and in fact the Carbon that makes you a carbon based life form comes from super nova star explosions billions of years ago, from massive stars, by a process called nucleosynthesis. The sun is not big enough to create elements. In fact the sun and the planets including the earth are made from recycled star dust and gases. They are not first generation material.

 

[The_Evelyonian]

you can never become intelligent from unintelligent.

Prove it.

Also God does not fall in this catergory because His knowledge is to us ultimate knowledge.Therefore God is not within discussion about having to be created himself or taught himself.

Of course, gotta keep that god-shaped loophole in your thinking.

How can all the designs in life come from crude matter?

In your own words, define "design".

When man the only creature that can create things from matter creates things it is crude not beautiful as nature.

Man is not the only creature that can create from "matter".

How can all our planets,sun,and moon be in perfect position?

Backwards thinking. The Earth, solar system, etc. is not perfected for us. We adapted to our environment.

Considering that in space there is not requirement to stay in thier places but they do it is like they are obediant.

Gravity.

Man gods jewel has so many things that differ from all other animals that makes it hard to believe we formed from basic evolution.

Such as?

How come if we evolved we do not find animals bones from evolution?

We do, in great abundance.

How can we find so many dino from billions of years but yet to find evolutionary bones?

In your own words, define "evolutionary bones".

HGow come no scientist says that thier conclusions are based on faith.

Because they aren't. Faith has no place in science.

They find something,run exsperiments then give a conclusion on whats going on.they do not know for sure but they believe that is what happened. thats science.

No. That's a strawman.

Though science must fail to proceed. The bible has not ever failed.

Yes, it has. We were discussing it in another thread.

You take the path thta God himself wrote the Bible

I don't believe in god, so your statement here makes no sense.

but he didnt, he inspired it,therefore a man wrote and there is man made errors.

So you allow for the fact that the Bible contains errors, yes?

God showed visions and the prophets wrote what they thought about the visions. Though without a doubt by the claims and predictions confirms it is something on the inspirer could know.The inspirer had to be before time and knew these things and showed it the prophets.

The "prophecies" in the Bible are extraordinarily vague. Most of the "confirmations" are a result of self-fulfilling prophecies, shoe-horning, and confirmation bias.

Basically you can not physically prove God

I know.

by a relationship with him you can know he exist,I do.

In other religions, people have "relationships" with their gods and have all of the same "personal experiences" that you do, yet I would be willing to bet that you would not accept that as evidence that their gods are real. Would you?

You cant possibly because you have lack of faith and belief.

I have no reason to have either.

What you can do is look at all the factors of life and it shows that it couldve not happened by chance.

Appeal to personal incredulity.

to be factual the big bang requires more faith than the bible.

Big bang is evident. Bible is not.

 

[shawn001]

A little history here.

Nobel Prize
The Offical website of the Nobel Prize.
The Age of the Sun

Fusion

 

[EnochSDP]

A little history here.

Nobel Prize
The Offical website of the Nobel Prize.
The Age of the Sun

Fusion

you have princibles but you have others if I dont like them?Sounds like you change your position if your confronted.

 

[The_Evelyonian]

you have princibles but you have others if I dont like them?Sounds like you change your position if your confronted.

You aren't serious, are you? :no: