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Age of the Earth.

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
...Slow down to a stop.

Earth will not slow down to stop.

Has science always been right? Has science never made a mistake?

According to Scripture, for now, Satan is the god of this world of badness.
-2Cor 4v4; Rev12v12

Since God created the earth, God will sustain the earth.
We might not yet know how, but God did not create the earth for nothing.
God created the earth to be inhabited, and inhabited it will always be.
-Isaiah 45v18

What won't be here are those that want to bring ruin to earth. -Rev 11v18 B.

Haven't you observed that the form of religions today are not part of the solution to Peace on Earth, but rather part of the problem? Many who even call Jesus as Lord have played false to his first-century teachings. -Matthew chapter seven.
-That should be Bible 101
 

JustWondering2

Just the facts Ma'am
Did you read the link I included or just your Bible?
I never said science is perfect, nor did I deny the existance of God. All I said was your statement was wrong!!!
I could care less what a bunch of sleep herder with no clue about science or astronomy said over 2000 years ago bud. The recession of the Moon and the slowwing of the Earth's rotation is a proven fact! Unless you doubt the laws of physics, the fact that NASA went to the Moon and left LASER reflectors there than can be struck with LASER's from Earth and the round trip time measure to great accuracy! The data from those measurements of the last 40 years has proven the fact that the Moon is moving away and the earth is slowing, albiet very slowly. Do you doubt that fact? Don't believe in science?

Don't quote the Bible to me bud! I've read it from cover to cover several times. There is NO science to be learned there! If you think otherwise....... well that explains a lot!!

OBTW it stands to reason if Earth rotation is slowing that given enough time it will stop rotating. OBTW when it does stop rotating our sun will be a dead courpes of what it is now! In other words BILLIONS of years from now!!!
 

JustWondering2

Just the facts Ma'am
Oh and Satin does not exist IMHO. That's just an excuse so called "Believers" use to justify their actions when they sin! In other words, it's a cop out!! The Devil never made me do ****!!
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Oh and Satin does not exist IMHO. That's just an excuse so called "Believers" use to justify their actions when they sin! In other words, it's a cop out!! The Devil never made me do ****!!


easy bud LOL :) they cant help it, the brainwashing wont let them see reality or reason or logic of any kind.

you have to remember, creationist are not allowed to think for themselves. You have to handle them like a 2 year old. You cant teach them anything yet, you just try and make sure they dont hurt themselves lol

I believe YEC is allot like down syndrome, you cant cure it. You just have to deal with it LOL
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
I believe YEC is allot like down syndrome, you cant cure it. You just have to deal with it LOL
On behalf of those with down syndrome I have to say your comments are deeply offensive.







And here is a chart to prove just how wrong you are.
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Oh and Satin does not exist IMHO. That's just an excuse so called "Believers" use to justify their actions when they sin! In other words, it's a cop out!! The Devil never made me do ****!!

Right, the Devil never 'makes' anyone do anything.

Satan tried to get Job to break his integrity to God.
Job did not give in. Job was not made to do anything against his will.
So it is a cop out to say otherwise blaming the Devil for your bad choice.

Atheist Antony Flew came to the conclusion that all the evil in the world could not just be chalked up to human sin.
Most people want peace, and since the majority want peace, it should seem odd we do not have peace.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Right, the Devil never 'makes' anyone do anything

when was the devil and hell created????

I think if people talk of the devil they should understand whathey are talking about
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
when was the devil and hell created????
I think if people talk of the devil they should understand whathey are talking about

Good point ^above^ outhouse.

The Devil turned himself into a Satan and Devil by being a resister and a slanderer from the beginning of his sinning. So from the very start of his first sin Satan became Satan the Devil. In that sense Satan created himself into being the rebel Devil.

The Biblical hell came into existence at the death of: Abel.
Abel was the first one in the Bible hell. [mankind's common grave]
Abel was first because, after Adam and Eve were destroyed back to dust, Abel was the first one buried with the resurrection hope. -Acts 24v15.

The Bible hell comes to an end when all in hell are 'delivered up'
Delivered up as in resurrection back to life again.
Then, vacant, emptied-out hell dies.
Dies a symbolic second death of no further existence.
-Rev 20vs13.14

As for sinner Satan, like Adam and Eve, Satan will have no future life when Jesus destroys Satan after Jesus peaceful 1000-year reign over earth.
-Hebrews 2v14 B; Romans 16v20
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Good point ^above^ outhouse.

The Devil turned himself into a Satan and Devil by being a resister and a slanderer from the beginning of his sinning. So from the very start of his first sin Satan became Satan the Devil. In that sense Satan created himself into being the rebel Devil.

The Biblical hell came into existence at the death of: Abel.
Abel was the first one in the Bible hell. [mankind's common grave]
Abel was first because, after Adam and Eve were destroyed back to dust, Abel was the first one buried with the resurrection hope. -Acts 24v15.

The Bible hell comes to an end when all in hell are 'delivered up'
Delivered up as in resurrection back to life again.
Then, vacant, emptied-out hell dies.
Dies a symbolic second death of no further existence.
-Rev 20vs13.14

As for sinner Satan, like Adam and Eve, Satan will have no future life when Jesus destroys Satan after Jesus peaceful 1000-year reign over earth.
-Hebrews 2v14 B; Romans 16v20

lets take this one step at a time there racehorse :)

lets keep this is in the thread you found earlier, so as not to derail this one [i see you found it]
 
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Agnostic75

Well-Known Member
Man of Faith said:
Of course it has already been pointed out that all dating methods assume three things, what the conditions were like at time zero, there was no contamination, and a constant decay rate. The same way we have to assume evolution to find evidence for it, we have to assume millions of years to find evidence for it. We can see from global warming scientists tactics that the data that doesn't match what they want, they throw out. Same with earth age data. Recent lava flows show an old age.

What must be assumed in order to propose that a global flood did not occur?
 

TC Mike

Member
:facepalm:
Ha! Not true! It's (the Earth) consantly slowing down at a very slow rate because of the gravatation affect of the Moon. OBTW as the Earth rotation slows, so does the orbital speed of the Moon around the Earth and therefore the Moon is slowly moving farther away for the Earth.

Yes the earth's rotation rate is slowing down due to the moon's gravity causing tides on the earth. Tides due to the oceans cause the majority of this effect. The timing of the tides lag behind the earth's center of gravity, causing a constant net deacceleration on the earth's rotation by the moon.

You can find a more detailed and technical discussion here:
In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - How Long Would It Take the Moon to Recede from Earth to Its Present Position?
 

JustWondering2

Just the facts Ma'am
Yes the earth's rotation rate is slowing down due to the moon's gravity causing tides on the earth. Tides due to the oceans cause the majority of this effect. The timing of the tides lag behind the earth's center of gravity, causing a constant net deacceleration on the earth's rotation by the moon.

You can find a more detailed and technical discussion here:
In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - How Long Would It Take the Moon to Recede from Earth to Its Present Position?

TC Where did the Iron in your blood come from? OBTW if you say God made it, please tell us how he did it, by what process?
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
Yes the earth's rotation rate is slowing down due to the moon's gravity causing tides on the earth. Tides due to the oceans cause the majority of this effect. The timing of the tides lag behind the earth's center of gravity, causing a constant net deacceleration on the earth's rotation by the moon.

You can find a more detailed and technical discussion here:
In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - How Long Would It Take the Moon to Recede from Earth to Its Present Position?



First off, the article is by a Dr. Walt Brown. Let's look at his credentials for estimating the age of the earth based on lunar gravity, orbit, and planetary rotation. Dr. Brown has a PhD in mechanical engineering, he is also the director of the Center for Scientific Creation, the owner of the referenced site.

Secondly, Dr. Brown, in his vainglorious attempt to justify his beliefs through pseudoscience, ignores the fact that the moon is receding at about 3.8 cm per year.
Since the moon is 3.85 × 1010 cm from the earth, this is already consistent with an earth-moon system billions of years old.
Also...

  1. The magnitude of tidal friction depends on the arrangement of the continents. In the past, the continents were arranged such that tidal friction, and thus the rates of earth's slowing and the moon's recession, would have been less. The earth's rotation has slowed at a rate of two seconds every 100,000 years (Eicher 1976).
  2. The rate of earth's rotation in the distant past can be measured. Corals produce skeletons with both daily layers and yearly patterns, so we can count the number of days per year when the coral grew. Measurements of fossil corals from 180 to 400 million years ago show year lengths from 381 to 410 days, with older corals showing more days per year (Eicher 1976; Scrutton 1970; Wells 1963; 1970). Similarly, days per year can also be computed from growth patterns in mollusks (Pannella 1976; Scrutton 1978) and stromatolites (Mohr 1975; Pannella et al. 1968) and from sediment deposition patterns (Williams 1997). All such measurements are consistent with a gradual rate of earth's slowing for the last 650 million years.
  3. The clocks based on the slowing of earth's rotation described above provide an independent method of dating geological layers over most of the fossil record. The data is inconsistent with a young earth.
(Source)


If you really want detailed and technical data on this, I would suggest the peer reviewed papers submitted by actual experts in physics, geophysics and astrophysics, rather than the miscalculations of a man discredited in all scientific circles.




  • Eicher, D. L., 1976. Geologic Time. Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey: Prentice-Hall.
  • Mohr, R. E., 1975. Measured periodicities of the Biwabik (Precambrian) stromatolites and their geophysical significance. In: Rosenberg and Runcorn, pp. 43-56.
  • Pannella, G., 1976. Tidal growth patterns in Recent and fossil mollusc bivalve shells: A tool for the reconstruction of paleotides. Naturwissenschaften 63: 539-543.
  • Pannella, G., C. MacClintock and M. Thompson, 1968. Paleontological evidence of variation in length of synodic month since Late Cambrian. Science 162: 792-796.
  • Rosenberg, G. D. and S. K. Runcorn (eds.), 1975. Growth Rhythms and the History of the Earth's Rotation. New York: Wiley.
  • Scrutton, C. T., 1970. Evidence for a monthly periodicity in the growth of some corals. In: Palaeogeophysics, S. K. Runcorn, ed., London: Academic Press, pp. 11-16.
  • Scrutton, C. T., 1978. Periodic growth features in fossil organisms and the length of the day and month. In: Tidal Friction and the Earth's Rotation. P. Brosche and J. Sundermann, eds., Berlin: Springer-Verlag, pp. 154-196.
  • Wells, J. W., 1963. Coral growth and geochronometry. Nature 197: 948-950.
  • Wells, J. W., 1970. Problems of annual and daily growth-rings in corals. In: Palaeogeophysics, S. K. Runcorn, ed., London: Academic Press, pp. 3-9.
  • Williams, G. E., 1997. Precambrian length of day and the validity of tidal rhythmite paleotidal values. Geophysical Research Letters 24(4): 421-424.
 

Agnostic75

Well-Known Member
Radiometric Dating: A Christian Perspective by Roger C. Wiens -- A resource paper of the American Scientific Affiliation and the Affiliation of Christian Geologists

Radiometric Dating
A Christian Perspective

Dr. Roger C. Wiens
Working at the Division of Geological & Planetary Sciences
California Institute of Technology
Presently working at the Space and Atmospheric Sciences Group
Los Alamos National Laboratory
Home Address: 941 Estates Drive, Los Alamos, NM 87544
[email protected]

Roger Wiens said:
[SIZE=+1]Radiometric dating--the process of determining the age of rocks from the decay of their radioactive elements--has been in widespread use for over half a century. There are over forty such techniques, each using a different radioactive element or a different way of measuring them. It has become increasingly clear that these radiometric dating techniques agree with each other and as a whole, present a coherent picture in which the earth was created a very long time ago. Many Christians are completely unaware of the great number of laboratory measurements that have shown these methods to be consistent, and they are also unaware that Bible-believing Christians are among those actively involved in radiometric dating. This paper describes in relatively simple terms how some dating techniques work, how accurately the half-lives of the radioactive elements and the rock dates themselves are known, and how dates are checked with one another. In the process the paper refutes some misconceptions prevalent among Christians today. God has called us to be "wise as serpents" even in this scientific age. This paper is put out by the American Scientific Affiliation and the Affiliation of Christian Geologists to promote greater understanding and wisdom on this issue within the Christian community.[/SIZE]

Reasons To Believe : Deep Core Tests for the Age of the Earth

Hugh Ross said:
July 1, 2005

In recent months, new evidence has emerged that may be simple enough for everyone to understand, regardless of science background-as simple as counting tree rings.

Scientists are learning much about Earth's past by drilling deep into its surface-both ice and rock-with specialized instruments to remove long cylinders, or "core" samples. Six deep ice cores and one sediment core now provide a clear and continuous record of Earth's history. The ice cores reveal hundreds of thousands of ice layers laid down on top of one another year by year, just as a tree adds one new growth ring per year. Three deep ice cores pulled from Greenland record the past 120,000 years. Three deep cores in Antarctica-Dome Fuji, Vostok, and Dome C-allow researchers to look back 340,000, 420,000, and 740,000 years, respectively.

How do scientists confirm that these ice layers correspond to years of Earth's past history? They can check for telltale markers, such as volcanic ash signatures. The Krakatoa eruption of 1883 and the Vesuvius eruption that wiped out Pompeii and Herculaneum in AD 79 left their specific marks in exactly the annual layers anticipated. Climatic cycles also allow for testing. As it turns out, these cycles-caused by regular variations in the eccentricity or ellipticity of Earth's orbit (period = 100,000 years) and the tilt of Earth's orbit (period = 41,000 years)-correspond perfectly with what's seen in those core layers. Finally, researchers have performed radiometric dating of minerals embedded in the ice to make sure their age corresponds with their annual layer, and in each case it does.

Further corroboration comes from a sediment core drilled off shore from New Zealand's Southern Alps. It reveals the past 3.9 million years of Earth's crustal history. Though each layer in this core represents a few centuries rather than a single year, the climatic cycles and events in this core for the past 740,000 years match perfectly with corresponding layers in the Dome C ice core. Such a calibration builds confidence that these cores yield a continuous climatic, geological, and astronomical record for the past few million years at least.

Proponents of young-earth creationism respond to this compelling evidence by pointing to possible problems at the tops and/or bottoms of the core samples as if such anomalies render the entire dating analysis unreliable. For example, the bottom 15,000 layers in two of the three Greenland cores are disturbed by ice folding close to the bedrock. Such disturbance (caused by extreme pressure conditions), however, in no way invalidates the 105,000 layers above or the 123,000 layers in the third core (the NGRIP core). The burial of the "lost squadron" of World War II under 250 feet of Greenland ice and snow in only 50 years has been offered as proof that the 10,000-foot-long Greenland ice cores cannot represent 100,000+ years of history. However, intrusions into the layers by localized forces and events does not invalidate them. In this case, the lost squadron crashed in a relatively warm area of southern Greenland where, unlike the sites of the three deep ice cores, several melts and refreezings per year can occur and seven times as much snow falls per year.

According to Psalm 19:1-4, God speaks not only through the words of the Bible but also through the record of nature. Since God speaks truth and chooses to reveal Himself, nature's record and the Bible's words can be expected to agree. The ice and sediment cores provide compelling extrabiblical evidence that the earth is indeed ancient. This evidence supports the literal interpretation of creation days in Genesis 1 as six long epochs.

At Notable Christians Open to an Old Earth Interpretation, there is a list of 100 notable Christians who believe that the earth is old.

Glenn Morton is a Christian geophysicist. He originally presupposed that the earth is young, and that a global flood occurred. After conducting years of research, he became convinced that the earth is old, and that a global flood did not occur. Since he originally presupposed that the earth is young, and that a global flood occurred, no one can accuse him of not being objective. Morton tells his story in an article at Glenn Morton's story. The article shows that he honestly searched for the truth. No loving God would punish a man for honestly searching for the truth.

Is it the opinion of biblical literalists that young science students in their first year of college should presuppose that creationsim is true, that a global flood occurred, and that the earth is young?

Would any biblical literalist at this forum like to have a public Internet debate with a physicist about the age of the earth? If so, I will try to arrange it.
 
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TC Mike

Member
Well I'll give you this bit from another creationist site. This is just an evidence of a geochronometer.
Creation Worldview Ministries: Is the earth 4,600,000,000 years old? Or, is the earth only 2,191,000 days (6,000 years) old?
If we use evolutionary assumptions concerning time and allow the Moon to move back toward the Earth initially at two inches per year; then the force of gravity would continuously increase as the Moon receded toward the Earth.

The Moon would "rapidly" spiral into the Earth slightly less than 1.4 billion years ago. The Moon could never have been closer to the Earth than 11,500 miles (the Roche limit) or the gravitational forces would have caused the Moon to beak up into pieces and we would have a ring, not a Moon. In addition, there is the effect of the Moon on ocean tides. If you have 20 quadrillion tons of force you can move a lot of water. If the Moon were to proceed backwards in time getting closer and closer to the Earth, then when it reached 50,000 miles away the tides would rise one mile high.
If tides were ever much greater than they are today the consequent increase in erosion would eliminate the continents in a short time. At the current rates of erosion every continent on earth would be eroded flat to sea level in only 14,000,000 years.
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
Well I'll give you this bit from another creationist site. This is just an evidence of a geochronometer.
Creation Worldview Ministries: Is the earth 4,600,000,000 years old? Or, is the earth only 2,191,000 days (6,000 years) old?
If we use evolutionary assumptions concerning time and allow the Moon to move back toward the Earth initially at two inches per year; then the force of gravity would continuously increase as the Moon receded toward the Earth.

The Moon would "rapidly" spiral into the Earth slightly less than 1.4 billion years ago. The Moon could never have been closer to the Earth than 11,500 miles (the Roche limit) or the gravitational forces would have caused the Moon to beak up into pieces and we would have a ring, not a Moon. In addition, there is the effect of the Moon on ocean tides. If you have 20 quadrillion tons of force you can move a lot of water. If the Moon were to proceed backwards in time getting closer and closer to the Earth, then when it reached 50,000 miles away the tides would rise one mile high.
If tides were ever much greater than they are today the consequent increase in erosion would eliminate the continents in a short time. At the current rates of erosion every continent on earth would be eroded flat to sea level in only 14,000,000 years.
I found this part of the linked article particularly interesting.

"If evolutionism does not line up with what the Bible says, then it is evil."

This is not science, this is pseudoscientific nonsense that openly admits a bias towards Biblical Creationism.
 
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