Alabama passes bill making some transgender healthcare a felony

[metis]

Have masks saved “many” lives? You don’t know that and there are other studies that say there were no difference whether masks or no masks in certain areas.
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I just read that study and it says nothing of the like! As a matter of fact, it doesn't even mention masking as it deals with the fact that omicron is less severe than the original delta variant, thus less harsh restrictions in some areas may be best.

 

[metis]

I believe it’s the parents sounding the alarm, pointing out the abuses from teachers and school boards that has caused the government to step in just like in Virginia.

Well, you believe wrong as this was nothing short of political hype from the get-go.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I do know because I read and reread peer-reviewed studies, which clearly indicate that masking is 40%+ safer than being unmasked. Don't go to the low of quoting Dr. So & So, who does not submit his evidence to be peer reviewed because there are "quacks" in every field, including science.

This is from Harvard University: Masks save lives: Here’s what you need to know - Harvard Health

So you post a blog and it says this:
Where are we still seeking answers?
Here are a few of the most common and important questions for which we don’t have great answers just yet.

• Does wearing a mask protect others, the wearer, or both? A mask helps keep the wearer from spreading airborne viruses while breathing, speaking, or coughing. Current evidence suggests that the person wearing a mask also reaps benefits, although the greatest benefit occurs when everyone wears a mask. In places where COVID-19 cases are substantial or high (see maps), wearing a mask in public indoors may help protect you and prevent spread to others. Remember, not all children are eligible for vaccines and boosters, and anyone whose immune system is compromised by illness or treatments needs to be protected from COVID-19.
• Do masks reduce the severity of infection?Because masks can reduce the "dose" of virus exposure, and because a lower amount of exposure might cause less severe infection, some have suggested that universal mask wearing might induce immunity with less lethal infections. This remains controversial and unproven, however, and should not be assumed to be true.
• Is it necessary to wear a mask outdoors?That depends on the situation. If you’re going for a walk outdoors and no one is around, wearing a mask is unnecessary. On the other hand, if you’re in close contact with people outdoors in a setting where keeping a distance isn't possible, wearing a mask is strongly encouraged. And of course, you should follow local health regulations and mandates.

So then you know masks save lives when they don’t have answers to these questions. I mean they may in certain situations and not in others. The mandates were across the board when you were outside your house in some places. Everyone should have the freedom to wear a mask or not wear a mask.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Well, you believe wrong as this was nothing short of political hype from the get-go.

I’m not wrong here as Virginia went for a candidate who was standing up for parents. The parents are the driving force to stop the madness of sex talk to minors from adults.

 

[metis]

So you post a blog and it says this:
Where are we still seeking answers?
Here are a few of the most common and important questions for which we don’t have great answers just yet.

• Does wearing a mask protect others, the wearer, or both? A mask helps keep the wearer from spreading airborne viruses while breathing, speaking, or coughing. Current evidence suggests that the person wearing a mask also reaps benefits, although the greatest benefit occurs when everyone wears a mask. In places where COVID-19 cases are substantial or high (see maps), wearing a mask in public indoors may help protect you and prevent spread to others. Remember, not all children are eligible for vaccines and boosters, and anyone whose immune system is compromised by illness or treatments needs to be protected from COVID-19.
• Do masks reduce the severity of infection?Because masks can reduce the "dose" of virus exposure, and because a lower amount of exposure might cause less severe infection, some have suggested that universal mask wearing might induce immunity with less lethal infections. This remains controversial and unproven, however, and should not be assumed to be true.
• Is it necessary to wear a mask outdoors?That depends on the situation. If you’re going for a walk outdoors and no one is around, wearing a mask is unnecessary. On the other hand, if you’re in close contact with people outdoors in a setting where keeping a distance isn't possible, wearing a mask is strongly encouraged. And of course, you should follow local health regulations and mandates.

So then you know masks save lives when they don’t have answers to these questions. I mean they may in certain situations and not in others. The mandates were across the board when you were outside your house in some places. Everyone should have the freedom to wear a mask or not wear a mask.

It says that they do but under different conditions they don't always have the same efficacy! I can't believe you posted the above but can't even understand what it says.

 

[metis]

I’m not wrong here as Virginia went for a candidate who was standing up for parents. The parents are the driving force to stop the madness of sex talk to minors from adults.

That's not the point I made!

Having a serious discussion with you is darn near impossible, especially since you keep making stuff up or shifting the goalposts, both of which are exercises in disingenuousness.

So, go ahead and believe in any fantasies that float your boat, I guess, but it seems you're far more into trying to maximize your ego than to try and understand objectivities.

 

[ElishaElijah]

It says that they do but under different conditions they don't always have the same efficacy! I can't believe you posted the above but can't even understand what it says.

I do understand what the blog says but your original statement of we know masks save lives like the across the board mandates are justified when they don’t even have the answers to these basic questions. Sorry brother

 

[ElishaElijah]

That's not the point I made!

Having a serious discussion with you is darn near impossible, especially since you keep making stuff up or shifting the goalposts, both of which are exercises in disingenuousness.

So, go ahead and believe in any fantasies that float your boat, I guess, but it seems you're far more into trying to maximize your ego than to try and understand objectivities.

How am I making things up? Parents involvement in Virginia is what I believe why other states made these kind of laws in Alabama and other states. If parents said nothing then I don’t think any laws would’ve been made. How is that shifting goal posts?

 

[ElishaElijah]

I just read that study and it says nothing of the like! As a matter of fact, it doesn't even mention masking as it deals with the fact that omicron is less severe than the original delta variant, thus less harsh restrictions in some areas may be best.

In the article:
Even in places with strict lockdown measures, there are hundreds of thousands of newly registered omicron cases daily and countless unregistered positives from home testing. Measures like mandatory masking and distancing have had negligible or at most small effects on transmission. Large-scale population quarantines only delay the inevitable. Vaccination and boosters have not halted omicron disease spread; heavily vaccinated nations like Israel and Australia have more daily cases per capita than any place on earth at the moment. This wave will run its course despite all of the emergency measures.

 

[metis]

In the article:
Even in places with strict lockdown measures, there are hundreds of thousands of newly registered omicron cases daily and countless unregistered positives from home testing. Measures like mandatory masking and distancing have had negligible or at most small effects on transmission. Large-scale population quarantines only delay the inevitable. Vaccination and boosters have not halted omicron disease spread; heavily vaccinated nations like Israel and Australia have more daily cases per capita than any place on earth at the moment. This wave will run its course despite all of the emergency measures.

But there's a difference between "negligible" and "none", plus the article deals in this areas only with the omicron variant. whereas mine covered all variants.

Also, plug in Jesus' "Parable of the Lost Sheep" as you downplay lives lost even if "negligible". How many are you willing to let die through carelessness until it becomes not "negligible"? To me all lives matter, and I would suggest Jesus taught us that as well.

However, one thing I will admit and apologize for as I missed the word "masking" with the above quote, so I do apologize for that mistake.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How about we get back on topic as this thread has NOTHING to do with covid?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

but there is a point of no return once a person starts down that road, it ends up the only option

That "point of no return" doesn't exist.

 

[ElishaElijah]

That "point of no return" doesn't exist.

What do you mean?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What do you mean?

Some have backed down at the last second on the operating table.
Some have detransitioned.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Some have backed down at the last second on the operating table.
Some have detransitioned.

Important Things To Know About Sex Change Surgery

• SRS is irreversible and thus patients must be entirely sure about its outcome before opting for the surgery.
  

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Important Things To Know About Sex Change Surgery

• SRS is irreversible and thus patients must be entirely sure about its outcome before opting for the surgery.

Which is not at all, anywhere close, to once you start down that road.
And come to think of it, there is an active thread involving former Christians and discussion the rise of nontheism in the Arabic world. There are tons and tons of apostates. So should the religions of Abraham's God be heavily scrutinized at it considered abuse to teach such harrowing and frightening to children?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Which is not at all, anywhere close, to once you start down that road.

Well that’s what I meant, once a person starts down that road to the end, there is a point of no return. Once the transition is complete with surgery there is no going back. Not only that but the female is still a female and the male is still a male even when the surgery is done.

 

[metis]

Not only that but the female is still a female and the male is still a male even when the surgery is done.

Sexual attraction is much more affected by hormones than the "equipment".

 

[nPeace]

Please stop accusing me of being emotional.
I haven't accused you of anything.
Why would I need to accuse you of something you admitted to? I simply asked a question.

Just answer the questions I asked. Please.

How did the idea of “atheists” enter this discussion? We were talking about two sides, and you brought up atheists. Why? Where did that come from?

Do you think one side is atheist? If you do, say so, If you don’t say you don’t. Just please answer that question.

Are you trying to tell us that this is about religion? Yes or no? Do you think this is about religion?

Are you saying that these Republican lawmakers are using this law to impose their religious view on the American people? Yes or no.

Please just answer my questions so I can understand what you are saying.

You read my post. You picked one line from it.
You decided who those people are. Now you are asking me to explain who those people are.
That's interesting.

I said...
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I think this all boils down to a fight between people who want change in culture and society, standards, values, morals... you name it, and people who want to keep a culture and society with those standards, values, morals, etc, and not have it change to what the opposing side wants. ...and I think the opposing side believes they have a right to win.

Why? I think I know, but you tell me.
Why should you - not you as in you, but you know what I mean Why should you win this fight, and the other side surrender to you?
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I think it's obvious whom I meant.
I'm talking to an Atheist. Most often I am, in issues like this.
So it should be clear that I included Atheists in people who want change in culture and society, standards, values, morals.
In fact, I don't know of anyone else who fits that, except a few religious... none of whom come to mind right now... Oh yeah. There are the fickle, who bend and sway with the changing tide, and the ones who are in it for show... or the money.
People who try to hold to 'set' standards, or values, are usually religious.

So yes. I did involve Atheists... primarily.
No. I didn't later, bring them up.

Does that answer your questions?
Oh. I do not get involve in Politics, or what Politicians do, or don't do.

 

[nPeace]

To my knowledge he inspired satanism and is sometimes called a Satanist but the first offical Satanist religion was formed based off his work by LeHay

So he was a Satanist.
Satanist existed before LeVay started the Church of Satan.

Attn: as of now, any discussion of the Order of the Nine Angles is prohibited in this DIR.

Yes. They are sects... with different views. They likely are similar branches.
Haven't gotten around to searching for the video, but I definitely will. I'll post the link in this thread, when I do.