Alabama passes bill making some transgender healthcare a felony

[Subduction Zone]

Well I guess I can chop off my child's leg then, if he decides he doesn't want it.

Once again, being transgender is not a choice. You are using a strawman argument.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Once again, being transgender is not a choice. You are using a strawman argument.

You are making unsubstantiated claims. How many videos do you want to see of people who wish they had not changed their gender?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are making unsubstantiated claims. How many videos do you want to see of people who wish they had not changed their gender?

None. Show me peer reviewed papers and I will consider them. Would a video of people saying that they were glad that they had a sex change operation convince you that you were wrong? If not you just admitted that videos are not evidence.

And what unsubstantiated claims did I make?

Lastly you duck a question. Does that mean that you are a latent homosexual? Not a good idea. to duck reasonable questions. That implies that others are right in their opinion of you.

 

[Reyn]

Children aren't being given gender-changing surgery before the age of 18.
That's just Republican/Tucker Carlson culture war crap that is completely made up. But thanks to them and their lies, children's hospitals are now getting bomb threats. Children's hospitals.

New Hampshire teen one of the youngest to have gender reassignment surgery
Youngest-Ever Sex-Change Patient

 

[Subduction Zone]

New Hampshire teen one of the youngest to have gender reassignment surgery
Youngest-Ever Sex-Change Patient

Two different articles. The first is one of the earliest examples of reassignment surgery. And it appears to have been done with parental support. At the very least her mother supported it.

In the second case there was no surgery. In fact it states that she is likely to complete the transition when she is eighteen.

So what is the point of the two stories? Did you have some reason for linking them?

 

[Reyn]

Two different articles. The first is one of the earliest examples of reassignment surgery. And it appears to have been done with parental support. At the very least her mother supported it.

In the second case there was no surgery. In fact it states that she is likely to complete the transition when she is eighteen.

So what is the point of the two stories? Did you have some reason for linking them?

Parental support or not, this surgery should not be done until someone is fully able to understand the consequences. It is my recommendation that people begin transition at 18, waiting for surgery for at least two years while being on cross sex hormones. I'm entirely against puberty blockers for the purpose of gender anything as well.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Parental support or not, this surgery should not be done until someone is fully able to understand the consequences. It is my recommendation that people begin transition at 18, waiting for surgery for at least two years while being on cross sex hormones. I'm entirely against puberty blockers for the purpose of gender anything as well.

Why oppose puberty blockers? Some children are clearly transgender at that age. It is not a passing fancy. Why would you trap them in a deformed body?

 

[SkepticThinker]

New Hampshire teen one of the youngest to have gender reassignment surgery
Youngest-Ever Sex-Change Patient

The first one was a 17-year-old.

The second one specifically says this:

"Since then, the child, known only as Kim -- and formerly known as Tim -- has begun a course of hormone treatments designed to stop puberty in its tracks, preventing facial hair growth and other secondary sex characteristics experienced by boys of that age.

The hormone treatment will also give Kim breasts. And once Kim turns 18, Kim will likely have the surgery that will complete Kim's transformation into a young woman."

So no surgery yet for that one.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Parental support or not, this surgery should not be done until someone is fully able to understand the consequences. It is my recommendation that people begin transition at 18, waiting for surgery for at least two years while being on cross sex hormones. I'm entirely against puberty blockers for the purpose of gender anything as well.

Are you a doctor who specializes in such things?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Parental support or not, this surgery should not be done until someone is fully able to understand the consequences. It is my recommendation that people begin transition at 18, waiting for surgery for at least two years while being on cross sex hormones. I'm entirely against puberty blockers for the purpose of gender anything as well.

I had a breast reduction surgery at age 14 specifically because I was both physically and psychologically adverse to how large I was. I was told the consequences, including things like I probably wouldn't be able to nurse if I had children, and scar tissue and infection possibilities, and even some difficulty of doing cancer self-exam due to the scars. I and my doctor believed I was capable of understanding those consequences so we proceeded.
Other people might have objected to the decision, but I'm glad I didn't have to wait through years of discomfort for *their* hangups.

 

[fantome profane]

You seem to have forgotten all the other child endangerment laws that parents can't legally circumvent.

Do any other those laws run contrary to medical advice?

This one does.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not legally. Because they aren't of legal age to choose.

But they can still choose. Of course not legally, but that definitely didn't stop myself or any of my friends.

The difference in the brain IS mental illness.

Science and medicine don't agree. We have seen the human brain in many different imaging methods, and for a whole bunch of different people.
We know the brains of those who are trans look more like the brain of their identified sex than birth sex.

Those are not what I mean by tampering with nature. Removing cancer and removing healthy tissue for cosmetic reasons are not compatible. Neither is blocking the natural hormones that lead to development and growth.

Why not let researchers and clinicians guide our opinions? You've obviously not studied this subject much (if at all). Don't pretend you have because you've said things that make it obvious you haven't. Why not actually spend a bit of time learning about something before making this much of an effort just to fall flat on your face? Why do that to yourself? Why not at least make sure you have the basics covered before claiming gender dysphoria isn't classified as a mental illness. It still is as of the DSM V (but don't worry, most clinicians don't view it as a mental disorder but another bs insurance thing that is ultimately needed to cover treatment).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Parental support or not, this surgery should not be done until someone is fully able to understand the consequences. It is my recommendation that people begin transition at 18, waiting for surgery for at least two years while being on cross sex hormones. I'm entirely against puberty blockers for the purpose of gender anything as well.

You as well. Go research before recommending a part that is already a part od the Standards of Care! It actually goes a step further and not only requires cross-sex hormones, it requires living full time as your identified sex for no less than one year to qualify for surgery.
This is why we let researchers and clinicians decide these things and not those who clearly just don't know even the basics of the subject. You want to throw this stuff out but you obviously aren't even aware of the Standards of Care or the requirements it has for getting treated.

 

[We Never Know]

You as well. Go research before recommending a part that is already a part od the Standards of Care! It actually goes a step further and not only requires cross-sex hormones, it requires living full time as your identified sex for no less than one year to qualify for surgery.
This is why we let researchers and clinicians decide these things and not those who clearly just don't know even the basics of the subject. You want to throw this stuff out but you obviously aren't even aware of the Standards of Care or the requirements it has for getting treated.

You ma have overlooked the use of the world "surgery" in their post.

"Parental support or not, this surgery should not be done until someone is fully able to understand the consequences. It is my recommendation that people begin transition at 18"


Guidelines say such surgery generally should be reserved for those aged 18 and older.

https://www-pbs-org.cdn.ampproject....t-medical-treatments-do-transgender-youth-get

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You ma have overlooked the use of the world "surgery" in their post.

"Parental support or not, this surgery should not be done until someone is fully able to understand the consequences. It is my recommendation that people begin transition at 18"


Guidelines say such surgery generally should be reserved for those aged 18 and older.

https://www-pbs-org.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/health/what-medical-treatments-do-transgender-youth-get?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw==#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16625018779620&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/what-medical-treatments-do-transgender-youth-get

No, I'm putting someone else on blast for speaking atop a house of cards.

 

[Reyn]

The first one was a 17-year-old.

The second one specifically says this:

"Since then, the child, known only as Kim -- and formerly known as Tim -- has begun a course of hormone treatments designed to stop puberty in its tracks, preventing facial hair growth and other secondary sex characteristics experienced by boys of that age.

The hormone treatment will also give Kim breasts. And once Kim turns 18, Kim will likely have the surgery that will complete Kim's transformation into a young woman."

So no surgery yet for that one.

I'm against hormone blockers for minors as well, for the record.

 

[Reyn]

I had a breast reduction surgery at age 14 specifically because I was both physically and psychologically adverse to how large I was. I was told the consequences, including things like I probably wouldn't be able to nurse if I had children, and scar tissue and infection possibilities, and even some difficulty of doing cancer self-exam due to the scars. I and my doctor believed I was capable of understanding those consequences so we proceeded.
Other people might have objected to the decision, but I'm glad I didn't have to wait through years of discomfort for *their* hangups.

Being large and having genuine medical concerns relating to the weight of breasts, isn't the same thing as having a double mastectomy because... gender issues.

 

[Reyn]

You as well. Go research before recommending a part that is already a part od the Standards of Care! It actually goes a step further and not only requires cross-sex hormones, it requires living full time as your identified sex for no less than one year to qualify for surgery.
This is why we let researchers and clinicians decide these things and not those who clearly just don't know even the basics of the subject. You want to throw this stuff out but you obviously aren't even aware of the Standards of Care or the requirements it has for getting treated.

I don't support children taking hormone blockers, cross sex hormones, and exactly at 18, undergoing mutilation.

 

[fantome profane]

I don't support children taking hormone blockers, cross sex hormones, and exactly at 18, undergoing mutilation.

Did anyone ask for your support?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Being large and having genuine medical concerns relating to the weight of breasts, isn't the same thing as having a double mastectomy because... gender issues.

Body dysmorphia, depression and anxiety are genuine medical concerns. As is gender disphoria and its related medical concerns. My concerns were no more legitimate and weren't simply about weight.
Honestly, the tendency to delegitimize anything that is not purely physiological in this country is one reason why it's so ****ed up, tbh.