Alabama passes bill making some transgender healthcare a felony

[syo]

Politicians are disgusting.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If that's the case so is:
1. Piercing a newborn's ears
2. Male circumcision
4. Corporal punishment in schools

Those are abuse. If it's not medically necessary there should be no body modifications performed on children (especially infants and toddlers). It is their body, not the parent's, and many children have not liked such things being forced on them.
Hitting a child, I question the morality of anyone who would do it or justify it. They are children who need loving guidance, not a hand of fear of hurt.
Letting doctors and medicine guide treatment of a patient? You need some very solid evidence to explain where the abuse is and why it's abusive.

 

[Ashoka]

Those are abuse. If it's not medically necessary there should be no body modifications performed on children (especially infants and toddlers). It is their body, not the parent's, and many children have not liked such things being forced on them.
Hitting a child, I question the morality of anyone who would do it or justify it. They are children who need loving guidance, not a hand of fear of hurt.

I totally agree with you.

 

[Reyn]

Not doing those things is also a life-altering decision.

Not allowing minors to take puberty blockers and cross sex hormones, ensures their brains and bodies develop in accordance with their natural biological processes. It also ensures they will not risk sterility or cancer from the treatment. Furthermore, not allowing minors to have healthy tissue removed, is responsible on part of physicians and parents.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's great! Gender change for minor's is child abuse.

And where is your scientific evidence for this?

By the way, I do not think that anyone is quite advocating gender change. Putting someone on puberty blockers does not change one's gender. If anything the gender already has changed. You may be thinking of a sex change operation, and I might agree with you on that. That is permanent and it might be a good idea to wait until they are legally adult.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

3. Putting up a child's hair when they don't want it done that way.

Reading this again I think I agree. My mind went to putting the child's hair up because sometimes long has to put up and restrained for safety reasons, but is this meant as a parent styling the child's hair as the parent wants regardless of what the child wants?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not allowing minors to take puberty blockers and cross sex hormones, ensures their brains and bodies develop in accordance with their natural biological processes. It also ensures they will not risk sterility or cancer from the treatment. Furthermore, not allowing minors to have healthy tissue removed, is responsible on part of physicians and parents.

What good is all that when you decide to actually go ahead and kill yourself?
What good is it if life becomes miserable and depressed anyways?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If anything the gender already has changed

Not really. Doesn't matter what processes, meds, or surgeries, the gender part of gender dysphoria is psychological and the presentation social.
The gender is always there, and often buried, denied and fought against before accepting the futility and destruction of that struggle before accepting it for what it is. It changes from a social perspective, but a mystery flavor is the same thing while it's being figured out and after the flavor is known and the color changes.

 

[Reyn]

What good is all that when you decide to actually go ahead and kill yourself?
What good is it if life becomes miserable and depressed anyways?

If you have dysphoria so bad that you will hit self delete before living another day as a boy/girl, you need to be institutionalized. Perhaps within that facility, you will receive the help you need, which does not include transitioning as a minor.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If you have dysphoria so bad that you will hit self delete before living another day as a boy/girl, you need to be institutionalized. Perhaps within that facility, you will receive the help you need, which does not include transitioning as a minor.

And yet I didn't need institutionalized myself. Just acceptance and transitioning. But being able to transition as a minor, that would have made a big difference for the better.

 

[SomeRandom]

Yeah. It's another reason that anymore mainstream American culture is increasingly impossible to identify with. And as screwy as it is, multiple studies have found Conservatives have more sex than Liberals, but they're the ones pushing this toxic garbage amd most ashamed and embarrassed of a bare tit.

Can I ask you something. And this might be a bit random.
But what did your “conservative led” education tell you about drugs? Like specifically?
I’m merely curious

 

[Reyn]

And yet I didn't need institutionalized myself. Just acceptance and transitioning. But being able to transition as a minor, that would have made a big difference for the better.

Why is it illegal for a minor to get a tattoo? Why is it illegal for a minor to have sexual intercourse with a 42 year old?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Can I ask you something. And this might be a bit random.
But what did your “conservative led” education tell you about drugs? Like specifically?
I’m merely curious

In line with Uncle Sam's stupidity that claims weed is worse than heroine or crack cocaine, that's only losers and bad people who use then, but worse with the threats of an angry god and eternal damnation (a first time use and accidental overdose sent these two girls to Hell in the play Heaven's Gates/Hell's Flames.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why is it illegal for a minor to get a tattoo? Why is it illegal for a minor to have sexual intercourse with a 42 year old?

In some states and situations those are legal (especially the sex one because the age of consent does vary from state to state with it often being lower than the age of majority).
And you bring up two things that aren't medical and aren't supervised by healthcare practitioners.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Thanks for confirming Conservatives and Republicans really aren't serious amd don't mean it at all (and are actually lying) when they say they don't want the government coming between a patient and doctor.

Can a minor choose to smoke and dip acid and drink jack Daniels?

 

[Wildswanderer]

If that's the case so is:
1. Piercing a newborn's ears
2. Male circumcision
3. Putting up a child's hair when they don't want it done that way.
4. Corporal punishment in schools

For the record, I think those four things are also wrong and abusive because it takes bodily autonomy away from the child. But a minor making a decision about their gender identity is their business. The first four examples I gave were parents deciding how a child's body should look or how they treat a child's body. But a minor chose their gender identity. There is no wrong in that. It's their body, their choice.

Really? You are going to associate changing your gender with getting your ears pierced? Please!

 

[Wildswanderer]

And where is your scientific evidence for this?

By the way, I do not think that anyone is quite advocating gender change. Putting someone on puberty blockers does not change one's gender. If anything the gender already has changed. You may be thinking of a sex change operation, and I might agree with you on that. That is permanent and it might be a good idea to wait until they are legally adult.

So now tampering with nature is ok? I guess evolution isn't so great after all?
No, the gender doesn't change regardless of what tampering you do.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So now tampering with nature is ok? I guess evolution isn't so great after all?
No, the gender doesn't change regardless of what tampering you do.

We tamper with nature all of the time. You would almost surely be dead if we did not do so. And that has no connection to the fact of evolution at all.

What a pointless post.

 

[Reyn]

In some states and situations those are legal (especially the sex one because the age of consent does vary from state to state with it often being lower than the age of majority).
And you bring up two things that aren't medical and aren't supervised by healthcare practitioners.

In which state is it legal for a minor to get a tattoo?

 

[Reyn]

In some states and situations those are legal (especially the sex one because the age of consent does vary from state to state with it often being lower than the age of majority).
And you bring up two things that aren't medical and aren't supervised by healthcare practitioners.

Also, since you want to play that game, I’ll bite. Why isn’t it legal for a child to be sterilized? For that matter, why is it so difficult for women to have a hysterectomy, even at age 25?