Alarming Report: 1,400 Kids Sexually Exploited In UK Town

[MD]

I have no respect for Europe anymore, none. This is why Putin is pushing you around. This is why you grow Jihadists. This is why substantial percent of your populations support ISIS. 1400 children abused in one town, not to mention God knows how many in other towns and the perpetrators get slap on the wrist sentences. How can you live with yourselves?

The continent is finished. Liberalism destroyed it. It's time North America moved away economically and politically and away from the disease of liberalism. The future of Europe will be Islamist and Russian.

If you want to salvage your dignity the first thing you should do is sentence these men to death.

 

[oldbadger]

Absolutely disgusting !

Well.... disgusting, yes.

I keep the 'absolutely' to one side, and save it for the reports of murdered, injured and acid attacked girls who dare to attempt freedom from fixed marriages, etc. Thousands of them........

Did you know about this?

 

[4consideration]

Well, you know Sunstone, the men of Pakistan are world-famous for their liberalism.

I think the point was not that the Pakistani men perpetrating these horrible crimes were liberal, but that it was liberal policies and fearing being labeled racist that kept those who had the duty to protect these innocent girls from actually doing what could be done -- because of fear of being labeled racist -- and being more concerned about the perpetrator than the victim.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I don't blame their criminal activities on their being Asian, neither do I blame it on their ethnicity or religion.

What are they? They are men doing what men have done to women for ages.

 

[Poeticus]

I keep the 'absolutely' to one side, and save it for the reports of murdered, injured and acid attacked girls who dare to attempt freedom from fixed marriages, etc. Thousands of them........

Did you know about this?

Yes. If one is to go through the conversation Shahz and I were having (we are both Indian, by the way; both of us are Desi) earlier in this thread, we discussed this; we discussed these horrid realities pertaining to the socio-cultural context of not only the article but of South Asian mentality and social dynamics that are present in various Desi societies---even those abroad, and in this case: certain pockets of Pakistani Muslim youth in the UK. In fact, I even explained the situation from an indigenous perspective in post #15.

 

[oldbadger]

Such a stupid, stupid word.

Well, sadly we do have Islamophobes here. Have done for well over 6 decades.

I knew a lad from Rochdale, Lancashire who lived down in Essex in the 60's. He was an Islamophobe then, and often told me about how he and his group would go to nearby towns to engage in finding and beating up Pakistanis. I can't dare to print the northern name that he used to describe this.....

My problem is trying to discover the humanity in humans......

 

[4consideration]

I don't blame their criminal activities on their being Asian, neither do I blame it on their ethnicity or religion.

What are they? They are men doing what men have done to women for ages.

Sure this type of violence has probably always existed. I don't think it matters their ethnicity or their religion, except if their ethnicity or religion is actually a factor in them not being held accountable under the laws of the land that would apply to others.

 

[oldbadger]

Speaking as a South Asian, I wouldn't be as generous as to slide this one away as an attribution error. There are valid socio-cultural contexts that must be recognized:

targeting of Sikh and Hindu females in order to manipulate them into covering to Islam

targeting of White British females in order to sexually exploit them because they are seen as "easy" and as subtle forms of "revenge" for colonialism

in all of these cases, the goal is to exploit and abuse

those that are unwilling to convert, especially the South Asian (aka: Desi) Sikh and Hindu females since it is they that are targeted especially for this very purpose, they can be sexually exploited through non-attached grooming​

This, in South Asia and especially in India, is called "Love Jihad". In the UK, however, it has become "Rape Jihad". While radical Muslim youths that play to the tunes of disturbing communal harmony will emotionally exploit non-Muslim females in order to get them to convert and in most cases the youths will end up marrying the females, the case in the UK is different. In these cases, females are not ultimately targeted for "acquisition for conversion", so to speak. Instead, they are to be manipulated for sexual exploitation (i.e., forced prostitution), and the usage of date-rape drugs enables such exploitation to become easier. In other words, it is a communal mini-war through the specific targeting of various ethno-religious groups.

Thankyou......... I went back to the above for info...... very helpful.

 

[Sunstone]

Maybe you should read the story before commenting.

The perpetrators were ignored by the authorities because they didn't want to be seen as 'racist'. The PC culture ignored what happened. Almost all of the perpetrators were Pakistani, yet they lumped them together with other south Asians, which is again an insult to all of those who are of south Asian descent. Also only a few of the perpetrators have gotten prison sentences, all of them only a few years.

Liberalism failed to act and failed to protect 1400 children in ONE town. Imagine how many other thousands of children this has happened to in the UK. And it will let these monsters into society in a few years to wreak havoc once again.

My point is that there may be liberals who go too far with PC, but your attempt to paint all liberals -- or liberalism itself -- as having that problem is no less childish and infantile as would be an attempt to paint all Muslims as terrorists, or all Christians as fundamentalists. Your thought needs to mature on this issue.

 

[Alceste]

I think the point was not that the Pakistani men perpetrating these horrible crimes were liberal, but that it was liberal policies and fearing being labeled racist that kept those who had the duty to protect these innocent girls from actually doing what could be done -- because of fear of being labeled racist -- and being more concerned about the perpetrator than the victim.

Well, I disagree with this. It's depressingly common - almost universal - for authorities around the world to be overwhelmed with apathy, confusion, skepticism and inaction when children complain of sexual abuse. Especially children with no effective advocate. This is not so different from the willing complicity of Western governments with a global epidemic of child abuse in a vast number of church groups entrusted with the care of at risk children.

At least I don't see it differently.

 

[4consideration]

Well, I disagree with this. It's depressingly common - almost universal - for authorities around the world to be overwhelmed with apathy, confusion, skepticism and inaction when children complain of sexual abuse. Especially children with no effective advocate. This is not so different from the willing complicity of Western governments with a global epidemic of child abuse in a vast number of church groups entrusted with the care of at risk children.

At least I don't see it differently.

I think this seems quite similar to church and other groups not fully addressing what they have evidence of because of who is involved. Fear of how it might affect how one (or how one's group) is perceived, or for protecting some image (like a community that is more concerned about not being considered racist for acknowledging and addressing that a particular problem is actually coming from a particular segment of the community) is not an adequate excuse, no matter if it is a political system or a church. Those with the duty to protect the children should do so.

 

[Alceste]

I think this seems quite similar to church and other groups not fully addressing what they have evidence of because of who is involved. Fear of how it might affect how one (or how one's group) is perceived, or for protecting some image (like a community that is more concerned about not being considered racist for acknowledging and addressing that a particular problem is actually coming from a particular segment of the community) is not an adequate excuse, no matter if it is a political system or a church. Those with the duty to protect the children should do so.

I agree, but I've seen it also in the files on children who are raped in foster care and group homes. These are totally secular institutions with a broad variety of demographics contributing to the perpetuation and cover-up of child abuse.

I suspect it's more about protecting men in general from having their lives "ruined" by public disclosure of any sexual abuse allegations against them.

And I don't think it's purposeful in most cases. I think it's a consequence of protecting a culture that pretends there's nothing we can do about rape, except tell women to cover themselves up and telling children not to talk to strangers.

Because teaching men not to rape women and children - or taking abuse complaints against them seriously - might make men feel bad, and we can't have that. We're very uncomfortable with the whole idea of making men feel bad in our society. And we are willing to tolerate or ignore quite a lot of outrageous misbehaviour to protect the feelings and reputations of men, both collectively and individually.

 

[Alceste]

I also noticed, while in England, their general attitude toward children is quite depressing. The Daily Hate, for example, is always ranting hysterically about the socially destructive impact of hoodies, gum and loitering, and pining for an imaginary bygone age when children were more pliant, respectful, quiet and meek. There's an epidemic of depression among the youth of the UK because of this.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Well, I disagree with this. It's depressingly common - almost universal - for authorities around the world to be overwhelmed with apathy, confusion, skepticism and inaction when children complain of sexual abuse. Especially children with no effective advocate. This is not so different from the willing complicity of Western governments with a global epidemic of child abuse in a vast number of church groups entrusted with the care of at risk children.

At least I don't see it differently.

Rape culture is global.

 

[Alceste]

Rape culture is global.

True, that. But it is much worse in some parts of the world than others. At least in the West, we are generally embarrassed about stories like these. In many parts of the world, these children would be unabashedly blamed for their own abuse and often murdered for it by their own family members.

 

[Father Heathen]

Well.... disgusting, yes.

I keep the 'absolutely' to one side, and save it for the reports of murdered, injured and acid attacked girls who dare to attempt freedom from fixed marriages, etc. Thousands of them........

Did you know about this?

Well, yes, and those incidents are just as 'absolutely disgusting', so what are you getting at?

 

[Father Heathen]

I have to disagree. I seriously believe we are in just as much trouble as they were 400 years.

If things never got better, you would be in front of a stove rather than in front of a computer.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

At least in the West, we are generally embarrassed about stories like these.

Either that, or it's covered up and/or people end up "mysteriously" dead like in the Marc Dutroux and Larry King (no, not that Larry King) investigations, which were bringing to light child rape and snuff film rings involving very elite people. Those investigations were quickly squashed.

 

[YmirGF]

Either that, or it's covered up and/or people end up "mysteriously" dead like in the Marc Dutroux and Larry King (no, not that Larry King) investigations, which were bringing to light child rape and snuff film rings involving very elite people. Those investigations were quickly squashed.

That reminds me of the Boystown fiasco. Was that what this Larry King was "famous" for?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That reminds me of the Boystown fiasco. Was that was this Larry King was "famous" for?

Mmhmm. The Franklin child prostitution case. He's the one who ran that credit union that he embezzled money from. He was said to be pimping out kids from Boystown to politically prominent people.

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