FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
It is as simple as this.
Is YHWH the God of Abraham, the answer yes he is.
Is Allah the God of Abraham, the answer yes he is
Simple equation Allah = YHWH
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Allah is the lord in the bible
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It is as simple as this.
Is YHWH the God of Abraham, the answer yes he is.
Is Allah the God of Abraham, the answer yes he is
Simple equation Allah = YHWH
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Or a more historical logic would be that while YHWH has shaped into the One God of monotheism by ancient Hebrews and Jews, Allah was still a pagan deity in South Arabian religion for many more centuries, until the 7th century and the birth of Islam formally, but in reality probably even a while later as the majority of the Arabs in the Hejaz stuck firmly to their traditional pagan heritage before Islam eventually came to earn a status among the monotheistic family.
In addition, your simple logic fails on the same etymological fluke. YHWH became a recognizable name or reference to the God of the Hebrews. Allah's etymology is still a generic word for 'god' on many core levels.
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Tumah
Veteran Member
Is G-d the G-d of Abraham?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
That is irrational.for example all Christians say Oh my God.
So according to your logic we should only call the Jews name and only we should say Oh my YHWH.
Can you prove that YHWH is the right personal name for God and how can you or any one in this world prove it.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Doesn't he ?
Of course the same God for every living thing in this world but we have an issue about what to call him.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
It would help if you learned the very basics of Judaism, the Hebrew Bible, and the Hebrew etymological background and usage of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) before making that pointless, and false reply.
In addition, your above statement is a big failure since you insist to glorify the Arabic term while saying the above. Double standards apparently do derive from ignorance primarily before arrogance.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
No, we don't. Only you do.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Great try. You even made it in a very clear way, and only in one sentence. Still our Ishmaelite friend failed to receive the point. But at least most of us understood you. :clap
FearGod, I have a question for you: Assuming that what you said in the OP is correct (just for the sake of argument, that is), why do you think that should be of any importance? You've spent entire threads arguing that the Bible was corrupted, altered, and manipulated; why should people suddenly be impressed by it and believe what you claim is written in it?
How has religion been allowed to dictate to god's creation. I cannot recall religion ever meetingto discuss their creator, can anyone of you prove me wrong. To me, religion, is using god for their own power and glory. The quicker they reform to being his messenger, the quicker his creation will have peace on earth.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Really :sarcastic
Didn't i say that Allah = YHWH but you are the one who said no they aren't equal as Allah is the god of pagan.
That what you had said about the God of Muslims to be originated from pagans
Here is one opinion which says that YHWH was God of pagans,so does that make him so.
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Exposing The Pagan Name YAHWEH - YouTube
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Do you have a bad memory, or are you simply a liar?
Here is your very first sentence in this thread:
You are the first (and I believe only one) to render the ways other people may call to their god as useless and at the same time imply that 'authentic' Christians worship the Muslim god. On the other hand many of us have repeatedly referred you to the fact that the terms: 'God', 'Allah' or any other generic similar terms are all valid and equal ways to turn to God.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
My point was to show that Allah is the same God in the Abrahamic faith, but still some argue that Allah was the God of the pagans.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
I admitted that Allah = YHWH, but you are the one who is insisting to say Allah was the God of pagans.
How comes that i am a liar.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Wrong. I have simply corrected your consistent historical misinformation and disinformation. You are the one who is taking my historical review dogmatically.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
That is the history which you chose says Allah was the God of pagan,that what you had picked up.
There are many web sights and utube documentary programs that say YHWH was the God of pagans,but as i respect the beliefs of every one i didn't say such silly things and i said it in clear words Allah = YHWH
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
No, I did not choose to pick it up. It is recorded history. If I am not wrong you live in Jordan, an area with a heavy historical adherence to the pagan Arabic pantheon which the Nabateans worshiped, chief among their pagan gods was Allah. A strong name among them was Abdullah or Servant of Allah, long before Allah was the god of Islam. Incidentally, Muhammad's father was also named Abdullah... the same Allah who will shortly become instrumental in transforming the religious landscape in the Hejaz.
Please go pick up a history book. Monotheism did not land out of the sky on Muhammad's head, or on Jesus' head, or on Moses' head, or even on Abraham's head. These are the folk literature and traditions of important cultures. Monotheism developed gradually out of formerly polytheistic and then henotheistic societies.
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Sees
Dragonslayer
Why is it silly to say either one or both are originally pagan Gods?
It's not disrespectful unless you are making things up to try to cause hurt.
YHWH doesn't seem related to Hebrew or Aramaic forms of Allah. It's all polytheism turning to henotheism turning to monotheism in secular view.
Edit: took too long to post lol. Caladan rules