Allah is the lord in the bible

[Caladan]

Greetings Matemkar, did it not occur to you that in 160 posts we probably covered what is discussed in the links you posted/quoted? Have you bothered to read the posts here at all? :no:

 

[Matemkar]

Salam. Sorry I just saw 3 pages. I did not know it was 17. However, I don't think it is wrong to share a good video on the topic and some wiki info with footnotes.

If you want me to read all and comment I would. However, I don't see a point here.
As you know, different names wouldn't make Him different Gods. As Quran says, "To Him belongs the best names" [17:110] be them Jehovah, Father, God, Allah or any other names.

Secondly, logic and Quran says, "We sent not a messenger except in the language of his people, in order to make clear to them..." [14:4]

It wouldn't matter the messengers spoke different languages and used the term for God that already existed in those languages..

ma salam

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Differences in perspective don't equal different personifications.

Who's perspective? I have gathered from Muslims here that "God" in the OT isn't a different perspective or a different personification than "God" in the Qur’an. In talking to many trinitarians it seems that Yeshua is the personification of "God" in the flesh. I was just trying to get a picture of the Abrahamic faiths and how they view "God"...So far that I can tell "God" in the OT and "God" in the Qur’an aren't all that dissimilar. Christianity, from what I've seen, seems to be divided on the deity of Yeshua (some Christians believe he is and some believe he isn't) and that deification of a man sets him apart from the "God" we see in the OT and Qur’an..... Tis a very interesting subject...

 

[FearGod]

Who's perspective? I have gathered from Muslims here that "God" in the OT isn't a different perspective or a different personification than "God" in the Qur’an. In talking to many trinitarians it seems that Yeshua is the personification of "God" in the flesh. I was just trying to get a picture of the Abrahamic faiths and how they view "God"...So far that I can tell "God" in the OT and "God" in the Qur’an aren't all that dissimilar. Christianity, from what I've seen, seems to be divided on the deity of Yeshua (some Christians believe he is and some believe he isn't) and that deification of a man sets him apart from the "God" we see in the OT and Qur’an..... Tis a very interesting subject...

common sense at work as your religion's title says.

Jesus is God in flesh or son of God or both and that is refused in both Islam and Judaism.

You are absolutely right. :yes:

 

[FearGod]

Allah is God's name and i believe it to be irrelevant to earth languages.

[youtube]0b4lFod06F0[/youtube]
Eli= Eloi = Elohim= Allah; God has One name!.flv - YouTube

 

[sojourner]

common sense at work as your religion's title says.

Jesus is God in flesh or son of God or both and that is refused in both Islam and Judaism.

You are absolutely right. :yes:

Your loss.

 

[sojourner]

Allah is God's name and i believe it to be irrelevant to earth languages.

[youtube]0b4lFod06F0[/youtube]
Eli= Eloi = Elohim= Allah; God has One name!.flv - YouTube

Huh. "Allah" isn't a name. It's a term.

 

[Caladan]

common sense at work as your religion's title says.

Jesus is God in flesh or son of God or both and that is refused in both Islam and Judaism.

You are absolutely right. :yes:

If you are going to such great lengths to insult Christian theology, why did you try to build an entire argument on a phony noble presumption that all the three religions relate to and call on the same God, and then went on to illustrate the way Arab Christians call on God to support your argument?
Is Allah is the God of all believers who call on him, or is he only the god of Islam? If only of Islam, then you have done your job because I don't think it matters to other people that you call on your God in a different language. But if you did try to make a point, then you just lost it.

 

[FearGod]

If you are going to such great lengths to insult Christian theology, why did you try to build an entire argument on a phony noble presumption that all the three religions relate to and call on the same God, and then went on to illustrate the way Arab Christians call on God to support your argument?
Is Allah is the God of all believers who call on him, or is he only the god of Islam? If only of Islam, then you have done your job because I don't think it matters to other people that you call on your God in a different language. But if you did try to make a point, then you just lost it.

Where did i insult the christian theology,please clarify which insult.

 

[Caladan]

Where did i insult the christian theology,please clarify which insult.

Well to avoid another futile off topic diversion, I'll fix it for you: If you are going to such great lengths to claim that Christian beliefs about God are false, why did you try to build an entire argument on a phony noble presumption that all the three religions relate to and call on the same (Arabic named) God? and then went on to illustrate the way Arab Christians call on God to support your argument?
Is Allah is the God of all believers who call on him, or is he only the god of Islam? If only of Islam, then you have done your job because I don't think it matters to other people (especially people who hold the wrong beliefs about God) that you call on your God in a different language. But if you did try to make a point, then you just lost it.

 

[FearGod]

Well to avoid another futile off topic diversion, I'll fix it for you: If you are going to such great lengths to claim that Christian beliefs about God are false, why did you try to build an entire argument on a phony noble presumption that all the three religions relate to and call on the same (Arabic named) God? and then went on to illustrate the way Arab Christians call on God to support your argument?
Is Allah is the God of all believers who call on him, or is he only the god of Islam? If only of Islam, then you have done your job because I don't think it matters to other people (especially people who hold the wrong beliefs about God) that you call on your God in a different language. But if you did try to make a point, then you just lost it.

From Islamic perspective all prophets called for the same God,From Adam,Abraham,Moses,Jesus and end by Mohammed.

But it is true that Jews refused Jesus and hence they don't believe the God of Christians to be the same as theirs and also they refused Mohammed and hence they refused the God of Muslims.

Christians refused Mohammed and hence refused the God of Muslims.

But God is still the same one.

 

[outhouse]

Christians refused Mohammed and hence refused the God of Muslims..

The same exact way Jews do not accept the christian redefining of their god.

Which is exactly the same as islam redefining the christian god.


What part of "if you redefine the god" it is not the same god anymore, dont you understand?

But God is still the same one

Nonsense

Jews
christians
islam

All have different definitions :areyoucra

 

[FearGod]

The same exact way Jews do not accept the christian redefining of their god.

Which is exactly the same as islam redefining the christian god.


What part of "if you redefine the god" it is not the same god anymore, dont you understand?

Nonsense

Jews
christians
islam

All have different definitions :areyoucra

Redefining God won't change the fact that God is one.

For example the 3 believe on God of Abraham.

So God of Abraham and for all humans is the same God and my point was to show that his name was Allah,not only in Arabic but also in other languages such as in Aramaic.

 

[Caladan]

The same exact way Jews do not accept the christian redefining of their god.

It seems that the further we go from the original revelation, and the further theology is being supplemented people are willing to accept more...

 

[Flankerl]

For example the 3 believe on God of Abraham.

No its more like 2 following Religions claim to believe in the same God.


But you know, that doesnt make it true.

 

[outhouse]

Redefining God won't change the fact that God is one.

For example the 3 believe on God of Abraham.

So God of Abraham and for all humans is the same God and my point was to show that his name was Allah,not only in Arabic but also in other languages such as in Aramaic.

How can 3 different definitions be the same one, let alone correct?



There are many different languages that have their own name for a god concept, and it is only your religions claim that he is the OT and NT deity.

 

[outhouse]

It seems that the further we go from the original revelation, and the further theology is being supplemented people are willing to accept more...

The whole concept has done nothing but evolve mirroring the multiple cultures that used it beofre Israelites even existed. Polytheism, henotheism and to monotheism.

But I do look at islam and christainity as perverting Judaism to meet their own needs more so then how the deity evolved in Judaism.

Only one group made monotheism stick, Isarelites. I see the others definition a form of perveting monotheism to some extent.

 

[sojourner]

Redefining God won't change the fact that God is one.

For example the 3 believe on God of Abraham.

So God of Abraham and for all humans is the same God and my point was to show that his name was Allah,not only in Arabic but also in other languages such as in Aramaic.

Again, "Allah" isn't a name, it's a term. "God" isn't a name, it's a term. Now YHWH? That's a name.

 

[Caladan]

Again, "Allah" isn't a name, it's a term. "God" isn't a name, it's a term. Now YHWH? That's a name.

I applaud your determination, but after we have repeated this for so many times, I simply think that FearGod does not understand the difference between the two. Perhaps he even refers to his pet as 'dog', or 'cat', or 'goat'.
The irony of FearGod's logic is that why stop at Galilean Jewish dialect in Second Temple Period? We should go back in time earlier to the fact that ancient Canaanites 2000 years before Jesus of Nazareth ministered in Galilee, referred to God as El... modern Jews still use the word in their religion. So, I'm not impressed... It appears that modern Jews defeat FearGod by at least 2000 years.

 

[Tumah]

...It appears that modern Jews defeat FearGod by at least 2000 years.

What are you talking about? There is no archaeological evidence that Jews existed earlier than 1948 CE.