Allah is the lord in the bible

[FearGod]

What are "your lands?" AFAIK, Jesus was born in Judea. Which was Jewish.

Do you mean Judea is in Europe and not in the middle east.

Jesus is a middle eastern man regardless of which tribe he belongs to and i believe Christians worship a middle eastern man whose name is Yeshua.

 

[Caladan]

Jesus called Allah in Aramaic = God in English and not "thegod",
you said that Allah is (the + Ilah) and i proved that you were wrong

No he did not. And yes the etymology of the Arabic word 'Allah' is literally 'the god'. You speak Arabic, do you deny that al= the and ilah= god?

The Shahada is to say no God but Allah,similar if you want to say no God but Jesus and not no God but the Jesus

You said absolutely nothing here. You might have said that the Shahada is to say no God but Gott. 'Allah' DOES mean 'the god' (literally) to Arab speakers, whether Christian or Muslim.

You are the only one here who says that Allah in Arabic = the + ilah

Every book about Arabic linguistic which addresses this word will tell you the same thing. That Allah is a contraction of al and ilah. Or 'the' and 'god'.

What about Aramaic "Allah" or "Allaha" as stated in the OP

It has already been answered many times in this thread, you just refuse to address the answers or maybe you are just lazy to read the posts in your own thread.

and the link which shows the original word of God as Allah Aramaic Bible, Disciples New Testament, Genesis, Exodus, Jonah, Daniel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zechariah, Malachi.

From your own source: "This is not the correct title of Allaha (God.) Other Aramaic derivatives, such as Arabic and Persian, don't retain the order of the alphabet either, so the concepts of the original Scriptures aren't retained in these languages as well."

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion,no problem with that.

Unfortunately some people have a tremendous sense of entitlement to remain ignorant.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Aramaic was the predominant languange of the area at the time.

This was what I was getting at in my previous comment.....

 

[Caladan]

Which area?
The largest Jewish community in the region at the time spoke Greek.

 

[FearGod]

Which area?
The largest Jewish community in the region at the time spoke Greek.

How did you know ?

 

[Caladan]

How did you know ?

I'm a prophet. My prophetic ability is found in the habit of reading books, taking classes, going to the university, doing fieldwork, going to museums, exhibitions, and asking questions from experts.
And how do you know, that the Bible was written in Aramaic? that Jesus called god 'Allah'? in Which books did you read this? in how many museums have you seen Aramaic inscriptions from the period? How many Aramaic scrolls have you seen? Do you understand and can read Aramaic?

 

[sojourner]

Do you mean Judea is in Europe and not in the middle east.

Jesus is a middle eastern man regardless of which tribe he belongs to and i believe Christians worship a middle eastern man whose name is Yeshua.

No, I mean exactly what I said. Jesus was born in Judea. Not all middle-Eastern people are Judean, nor are all middle-Eastern people Muslim.

What you "believe" about Christians is unimportant. Christians worship God Incarnate, a Judean man, who is known in biblical writings only as Iesous.

 

[Caladan]

No, I mean exactly what I said. Jesus was born in Judea. Not all middle-Eastern people are Judean, nor are all middle-Eastern people Muslim.

Thank you. Jesus was born in Judea, and was raised in the Tetrarchy of Galilee according to tradition. Jesus ministered to his fellow Jews in both areas, Judea and Galilee. To somehow appropriate Judean and Galilean cultural and religious landscape during the first century to 7th century Mecca or Medina is not only ignorance, it is simply dumb.

What you "believe" about Christians is unimportant. Christians worship God Incarnate, a Judean man, who is known in biblical writings only as Iesous.

Wait for it... soon you are going to be enlightened that his authentic oriental name was Issa, and that the rest of us are using a corrupt name.

 

[FearGod]

I'm a prophet. My prophetic ability is found in the habit of reading books, taking classes, going to the university, doing fieldwork, going to museums, exhibitions, and asking questions from experts.
And how do you know, that the Bible was written in Aramaic? that Jesus called god 'Allah'? in Which books did you read this? in how many museums have you seen Aramaic inscriptions from the period? How many Aramaic scrolls have you seen? Do you understand and can read Aramaic?

But you didn't answer my question.

What is your reference or proof that Jews were speaking Greek in that time ?

 

[sojourner]

Thank you. Jesus was born in Judea, and was raised in the Tetrarchy of Galilee according to tradition. Jesus ministered to his fellow Jews in both areas, Judea and Galilee. To somehow appropriate Judean and Galilean cultural and religious landscape during the first century to 7th century Mecca or Medina is not only ignorance, it is simply dumb.
Wait for it... soon you are going to be enlightened that his authentic oriental name was Issa, and that the rest of us are using a corrupt name.

yeah, but the written evidence (the bible) uses the Greek term Iesous, which is all we've got. Of course, he'll then take one of two tired tacks:
1) the bible has obviously been corrupted, or
2) (my favorite) it's been mistranslated.

Have you noticed that, in the midst of all the misappropriation of Iesous, no one here is attempting a puerile misappropriation of Muhammed?

 

[sojourner]

But you didn't answer my question.

What is your reference or proof that Jews were speaking Greek in that time ?

This is truly a stretch too far to discredit a fact of history.

It's just ...

so sad and pitiful.

 

[Caladan]

But you didn't answer my question.

What is your reference or proof that Jews were speaking Greek in that time ?

I did. If I give you a list of books to read, are you going to read them? If I send you to Near Eastern sections of museums around the world are you going to take the time to examine the artifacts?
It is widely known in the scholarly world, that the largest community of Jews at the time in the region was in Alexandria in Egypt and that they spoke Greek. Many Jews in the area in general, that is to say what we call the Middle East today lived and carried their life in a Greek speaking environment and culture. If you look at the epigraphic evidence in Jerusalem at the time you will notice an abundance of inscriptions in the Greek language. That is not to say that other languages such as Hebrew or Aramaic were not used at all, whether for religious purposes or other even functional purposes by communities in the region... however you are the one here who is claiming the supreme status of Aramaic in the region. So you are the one who needs to prove that, and so far you have not. Why is Aramaic more important than Hebrew for example? If after all Aramaic arrived as an Imperial dialect of conquering Empires?

Let me give you a crush course. Aramaic was a lingua franca in the Middle East during the times of ancient Empires such as the Babylonians and the Assyrians, the conquest of such empires changed the linguistic demographics in the region, making the Jews shift from Hebrew to Aramaic. During the first century while reasonable to discuss a wide use of Aramaic by Jews in Judea, Greek became a huge factor in the formal and functional fabric of life, Hebrew still factored in the liturgical sense which is vital to your thread as the Jewish scriptures are dominated by Hebrew, during the time Greek was of such importance that Jews have used it widely to the point of translating their entire Bible into Greek, in addition the Greek language was the most used language in Jewish practices such as burial commemoration (inscriptions). So, please give us your evidence to the imperative relevance of Aramaic to making your case, and indicate in which way your case is actually important.
If Jesus really spoke Aramaic, what does it have to do with the fact that Arabs in Mecca did not?
In other words, what point are you trying to make in this thread?
Jews may have spoken Aramaic and may have referred to their God in the Aramaic language, and in the Hebrew language (and in the Greek language), and then hundreds of years later Muslims began referring to God in the Arabic language. What are you attempting to say with this?

 

[Repox]

What is the evidence that the quran is a copy from the Jewish bible any why not the christian bible ?
Was it mentioned in the Jewish bible that the word "God" is the name of the creator ?
Was it mentioned in the Jewish bible that Jesus is God or that God will have a son ?

Most Bible related material in the Quran is from the Old Testament or the Tanakh, the Jewish bible.

In Genesis, references are made to God and the Lord God. So, in the rest of the Jewish Bible the word Lord is used to reference God. As others here have mentioned, the world Allah is not found in the Jewish Bible.

I have learned much form others on this forum. If you know little of what you say, you look stupid when you insist others know little or nothing. We can all learn from each other.

I don't know how this is related to the thread. "Was it mentioned in the Jewish bible that Jesus is God or that God will have a son?" Anyway, I don't believe the OT mentions Jesus as God, probably because Jesus didn't exist back then. Also, there is no mention in the OT of God having a son. Again, how is this related to your claim that Allah is the lord of the Bible?

Good luck with your case. Here is a good analogy. It's as if a plaintiff goes to court claiming the founding father of the United States is not George Washington, his name is really Sam Washington. Now we know the United States has been referred to as Uncle Sam, but that doesn't mean Sam is the name of our first president. I don't think the jury would agree to change Washington's first name to Sam.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I suspect that he spoke in both Aramaic as well as Hebrew. Some information I've been reading seems to indicate that at one point Aramaic was more widely spoken day to to day. I won't go as far to say that Yeshua spoke Aramaic exclusively but given his travels (per the bible) he may have been fluent in Greek as well (to what degree I'm not sure).

Jewish Aramaic - My Jewish Learning

The first attested Jewish Aramaic texts are from the Jewish military outpost in Elephantine, ca. 530 B.C.E. Other Jewish Aramaic texts are the Books of Ezra (ca. 4th century B.C.E.) and Daniel (165 B.C.E.). Starting around 250 C.E., Bible translations such as the Targums of Onkelos and Jonathan began to appear. The division into Eastern and Western Aramaic is most evident in the Palestinian (Yerushalmi) Talmud (Western, completed ca. 5th century C.E.; and Midrashim, ca. 5th-7th centuries C.E.) and the Babylonian Talmud (Eastern, finished ca. 8th century C.E.).


With the Islamic conquests, Aramaic was quickly superseded by Arabic. Except for some occasional bursts such as the Book of Zohar and other Kabbalistic literature (ca. the 12th cent), it almost ceased as a literary language, but remained as ritual and study language. It continued its life as a spoken language until our days by the Jews and Christians of Kurdistan ("Eastern") and three villages (mostly Christians and some Muslims) in Syria ("Western"). Syriac-Aramaic is still used as a ritual language

The oldest literature in Jewish (and Christian) Neo-Aramaic is from ca. 1600 C.E. It includes mostly adaptations or translations of Jewish literature, such as Midrashim (homiletic literature), commentaries on the Bible, hymns (piyyutim), etc. Jewish Neo-Aramaic may be divided into three or four major groups of dialects, some mutually intelligible, and others not or hardly so. Also, in a few towns both Jews and Christians spoke Neo-Aramaic, but using distinct dialects. The Neo-Aramaic-speaking Jews emigrated to Israel in the early 1950s, and their language was superseded by Hebrew.

Aramaic is a close sister of Hebrew and is identified as a "Jewish" language, since it is the language of major Jewish texts (the Talmuds, Zohar, and many ritual recitations, such as the Kaddish). Aramaic has been until our present time a language of Talmudic debate in many traditional yeshivot (traditional Jewish schools), as many rabbinic texts are written in a mixture of Hebrew and Aramaic. Jewish Neo-Aramaic is both an "extension" of Jewish Babylonian Aramaic (as can be seen from its hundreds of reflexes in Jewish Neo-Aramaic), and a Neo-Jewish language.

history - Why was the Gemara written in Aramaic? - Mi Yodeya

Why was the Gemara written in Aramaic?

The Gemara (the Bavli and Yerushalmi) are the fundamental texts that we possess of the Oral law. Why were they written in Aramaic?

Talmud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The whole Talmud consists of 63 tractates, and in standard print is over 6,200 pages long. It is written in Tannaitic Hebrew and Aramaic

Of course none of this is proof of anything other than the languages were at one point in time more widely used and written before, during and after the life of the biblical Yeshua...especially if we consider the Book of Daniel (Book of Daniel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) which seems to be a mixture of both languages. If Yeshua was truly a man that could be found in the temple reading the scrolls then just maybe he understood and spoke the language well enough.

As a forum member once said in a long ago thread.....

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2185811-post42.html

There is nothing surprising or particularly illuminating about this.
Jews have been speaking Hebrew, Aramaic, and Arabic for thousands of years.
Many Jews in my family speak Maghreb Arabic, my father still understands it.
Half of the people who live in Israel today, come from families who spoke Arabic and practiced Hebrew as part of their tradition, the usage of these languages among Jews (in this case Jesus) and the similarity between them is natural to many here.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

As others here have mentioned, the world Allah is not found in the Jewish Bible.

Aramaic, Hebrew and Arabic are related languages that appear to share a common root. Personally I wouldn't make the claim that (Allah), which is the Arabic pronunciation for "God" by people who speak Arabic, is in the OT...and I hope no one is suggesting that the biblical Yeshua was using the Arabic word for "God"... But I believe the Aramaic pronunciation and the Arabic pronunciation in their respective languages have the same meaning.

 

[Tumah]

I have to tell you that I think you're right. Allah is the true name of G-d in the Bible.
I will give you the background of the true events. The first meeting of the Elders (actually they were a group of the oldest of the bankers of the time, not the learned Sages as most people think) took place in a city called Zion.
Among these Elders was a rich horse-farmer named prophet Heysus or in Hebrew הלוסוס. Now, you have to understand, the Elders had been using the holy Name of Allah for many centuries. And this is how it is written was written in all their Scriptures. But at this first meeting where they were supposed to decide whether they would continue to allow the Romans to rule or to give power to the Dutch, prophet Heysus takes the floor and says some Jehovah's Witness' knocked on his tent door earlier that week and taught him about the name Jehovah. Prophet Heysus felt that this name was more unique than Allah which was the same name in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Yiddish, Afrikaans, Ladino and of course, Mandarin.
The Elders thought this was a great idea. However, they didn't want such a grand plan to be attributed to a lowly horse-farmer. Instead they excommunicated Heysus, changed all the names in Jewish Scriputres from Allah to Jehovah and then decided the fate of the world powers for the next 100 years. The minutiae of this event was recorded in the secret book, "Kitab al-Hidaya ila Fara'id al-Qulub".

Eventually, Heysus changed his name to the more Aramaic Jesus and to spite the Elders, he spent the rest of his life spreading the name of Allah against his original suggestion. Forty years after his death, he came back to Peter and told him that the Elders offered to give him credit for the name Jehovah if he sent them a pound of his dead flesh, and so he asked Peter to switch the name back to Jehovah. Unfortunately those greedy Elders never delivered and so the Christian too lost the holy name of Allah.

Some events from this story trickled down the generations, but the story in its entirety was never revealed to the public until now.

I am paraphrasing a bit.

 

[Repox]

I have to tell you that I think you're right. Allah is the true name of G-d in the Bible.
I will give you the background of the true events. The first meeting of the Elders (actually they were a group of the oldest of the bankers of the time, not the learned Sages as most people think) took place in a city called Zion.
Among these Elders was a rich horse-farmer named prophet Heysus or in Hebrew הלוסוס. Now, you have to understand, the Elders had been using the holy Name of Allah for many centuries. And this is how it is written was written in all their Scriptures. But at this first meeting where they were supposed to decide whether they would continue to allow the Romans to rule or to give power to the Dutch, prophet Heysus takes the floor and says some Jehovah's Witness' knocked on his tent door earlier that week and taught him about the name Jehovah. Prophet Heysus felt that this name was more unique than Allah which was the same name in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Yiddish, Afrikaans, Ladino and of course, Mandarin.
The Elders thought this was a great idea. However, they didn't want such a grand plan to be attributed to a lowly horse-farmer. Instead they excommunicated Heysus, changed all the names in Jewish Scriputres from Allah to Jehovah and then decided the fate of the world powers for the next 100 years. The minutiae of this event was recorded in the secret book, "Kitab al-Hidaya ila Fara'id al-Qulub".

Eventually, Heysus changed his name to the more Aramaic Jesus and to spite the Elders, he spent the rest of his life spreading the name of Allah against his original suggestion. Forty years after his death, he came back to Peter and told him that the Elders offered to give him credit for the name Jehovah if he sent them a pound of his dead flesh, and so he asked Peter to switch the name back to Jehovah. Unfortunately those greedy Elders never delivered and so the Christian too lost the holy name of Allah.

Some events from this story trickled down the generations, but the story in its entirety was never revealed to the public until now.

I am paraphrasing a bit.

I could find no sources for this book. It sounds like a fictional story to advance the name of Allah.

 

[Tumah]

I could find no sources for this book. It sounds like a fictional story to advance the name of Allah.

The book definitely exists. But I think you somehow misunderstood the tone in which the post was made.

 

[sojourner]

The book definitely exists. But I think you somehow misunderstood the tone in which the post was made.

I think it can be summed up best in the Book of Holes, chapter 1: "And they knew not their holes from an @$$ on the ground."

Amen.

 

[Repox]

The book definitely exists. But I think you somehow misunderstood the tone in which the post was made.

I think you're right, I missed something. Based on historical evidence, there is no reason to believe Allah is the Lord of the Bible. I can however be persuaded otherwise. Life is short, so why not make it interesting.