Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
the bible wasnt written in aramaic
the writings of the prophets are in Hebrew and the writings of the christians are in Greek.
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Allah is the lord in the bible
- Thread starter FearGod
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the bible wasnt written in aramaic
the writings of the prophets are in Hebrew and the writings of the christians are in Greek.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Jesus in his own language which was Aramaic called God as Allah whereas some Christians call allah as the satan or the God of moon ..etc
Aramaic Bible, Disciples New Testament, Genesis, Exodus, Jonah, Daniel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zechariah, Malachi.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
No. He didn't. Jesus, as a Jew (and a rabbi), would have spoken Hebrew, and would have referred to YHWH as "Lord," not as "Allah."
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
It appears that the case can be made that Aramaic was more widespread and spoken by many during the time...even by the biblical Yeshua.
Language of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Jesus likely spoke Aramaic. However, the only place we know of where Jesus likely uttered "God" in Aramaic is in his quotation of Psalm 22 in Mark and Matthew: "eloi, eloi...," or "Eli, eli..." "Eloi" =/= "Allah." Not in the sense the poster intimates.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
So Jesus only said allah one time in all his life.:sarcastic
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
No. Jesus didn't "only [say] 'Allah' one time in all his life." What I said (please note, Dear Reader) was that Jesus is reported to have said "eloi" or "eli" once in the bible. Neither eloi or eli = "Allah" in the sense that was meant. :face palm:
Since Jesus was obviously quoting Psalm 22, he wouldn't have been talking about "Allah" in an Islam-specific way.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
And who is eli or eloi or what ever word you want to choose.
Do you think Jesus called the creator as "God" or as "Jesus"
Jesus own language was known to be Aramaic and if you don't like the word Allah then that doesn't mean that Jesus didn't use to call God by his name Allah
Repox
Truth Seeker
There is no evidence that Allah is the Jewish Lord. Allah, an Arab deity, did not exist at the time of Abraham, when the Lord chose him and his descendants to become his chosen people. There is evidence however that the Quran copied the Jewish Bible. I suppose if you copy a book you might as well claim to be its author.
As for the reference from John, there is no evidence that John was an eyewitness to any Old Testament event. Anyone, and many have, claim this or that after the events, but there must be evidence to make it true.
Not even Jews recognize Allah as their Lord. During the OT, Allah was a minor league player among pagan gods. It wasn't until the time of Muhammad that he got top billing.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
what makes you think Jesus spoke Aramaic?
Amandi
Member
Moses probably wrote in Hebrew and the New Testaments were probably written in Greek. Jesus did probably speak Aramaic but since He didnt write the Bible that is not relevant to the languange of the Bible.
Amandi
Member
Aramaic was the predominant languange of the area at the time.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
But Jesus was a jew and grew up in a jewish community..... was aramaic the language of the Jews at that time?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
What is the evidence that the quran is a copy from the Jewish bible any why not the christian bible ?
Was it mentioned in the Jewish bible that the word "God" is the name of the creator ?
Was it mentioned in the Jewish bible that Jesus is God or that God will have a son ?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Because i don't think he speaks English.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Since we seem to be going in circles let's put forward several points known or explored in the academic and historical world.
Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek were some of the languages used in the area and its surrounding region. Neither the Hebrew Bible nor the Christian New Testament were written predominantly in Aramaic, in fact the vast majority of the Text is in Hebrew or Greek. Nowhere in either the Tawrat/Torah or the entire Hebrew Bible does the word 'Allah' appears, neither does it appear in the Christian Bible or the Injil as it were.
The term Allah may be used by Arabic speaking Christians and has been translated as such into Arabic Bibles, which means they have been using the term in a monotheistic context while to pre-Islamic Arab pagans the term referred to a local South Arabian deity which was one of many, in several cases perhaps not even the most popular deity, for example the Nabateans celebrated the worship of Dushara widely. In addition it's worth looking into if the Christian term 'Allah' originated from Syriac Aramic (or even other Aramaic dialects) as opposed to the Muslim Arabic 'Allah'. The word even shows differences in etymological qualities from the Arabic term.
One major and basic thing to repeat is that Allah can be in use as a generic term for 'God'. So what does it exactly prove that other people in contemporary or historical terms use it? In addition it is interesting to note that in an ancient site I researched in Southern Israel, as the Byzantines Christianized the local population, you could still see Bishops keeping their Semitic name Abdullah, or Abd Allah=Servant of Allah, Allah being a major pagan god on the South Arabian pantheon. Several centuries before Islam or befor a pagan shrine called the Kaaba was converted into Islam's sacred ground as Muhammd tried to break Quraysh monopoly on the site by dedicating it exclusively to Allah, leaving him as sole deity in the site, removing the recognition of his daughters for example who were widely worshiped by the local population.
Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek were some of the languages used in the area and its surrounding region. Neither the Hebrew Bible nor the Christian New Testament were written predominantly in Aramaic, in fact the vast majority of the Text is in Hebrew or Greek. Nowhere in either the Tawrat/Torah or the entire Hebrew Bible does the word 'Allah' appears, neither does it appear in the Christian Bible or the Injil as it were.
The term Allah may be used by Arabic speaking Christians and has been translated as such into Arabic Bibles, which means they have been using the term in a monotheistic context while to pre-Islamic Arab pagans the term referred to a local South Arabian deity which was one of many, in several cases perhaps not even the most popular deity, for example the Nabateans celebrated the worship of Dushara widely. In addition it's worth looking into if the Christian term 'Allah' originated from Syriac Aramic (or even other Aramaic dialects) as opposed to the Muslim Arabic 'Allah'. The word even shows differences in etymological qualities from the Arabic term.
One major and basic thing to repeat is that Allah can be in use as a generic term for 'God'. So what does it exactly prove that other people in contemporary or historical terms use it? In addition it is interesting to note that in an ancient site I researched in Southern Israel, as the Byzantines Christianized the local population, you could still see Bishops keeping their Semitic name Abdullah, or Abd Allah=Servant of Allah, Allah being a major pagan god on the South Arabian pantheon. Several centuries before Islam or befor a pagan shrine called the Kaaba was converted into Islam's sacred ground as Muhammd tried to break Quraysh monopoly on the site by dedicating it exclusively to Allah, leaving him as sole deity in the site, removing the recognition of his daughters for example who were widely worshiped by the local population.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Nor did he speak Arabic. So by your logic Muslims adopted Aramaic and Hebrew words from Jews and Christians and also inherited monotheistic thought. Many would agree with you.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
God's name doesn't belong to any language but since the Angel and Torah contain many contradictions and flaws then it isn't surprising that the real name of God was lost.
Pastek
Sunni muslim
Yes it's more clear and i didn't find it very different than in the Quran.
While in the Gospels God is not that much described and it's more about Jesus advices and conflicts with people of his time.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
And yet here you are claiming that the Christian savior cried out to Allah. What are you trying to prove?
First let me educate you about your own language and religion, the word 'Allah' is not the name of God, it simply means al= the, ilah= god. Several related Semitic languages and dialects have variants for such a term, claiming that the Arabic term is superior is about the same as claiming that champignon is better than portobello. In addition claiming that the scriptures of the Jews and Christians are corrupt while trying to misuse them to support your dogma is very poor in educational terms, and of course in terms of basic lack of honor concerning both your heritage and that of others.
This is of course evident from your poor understanding of the Bible, history, and languages, including your own. Not to mention ignorance about the cultures of your region or even the meaning and use of the term Allah in the Quran.