Allah is the lord in the bible

[LegionOnomaMoi]

Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek were some of the languages used in the area and its surrounding region. Neither the Hebrew Bible nor the Christian New Testament were written predominantly in Aramaic, in fact the vast majority of the Text is in Hebrew or Greek.

It is worth pointing out that few scholars believe any portion of the NT was written in Aramaic, although there is much work on how Semitisms influenced the tradition behind the texts. Also, as you are an archaeologist, I have a question related to (or subfields of) archaeology in Judaea and Galilee in and around the first question. I am pretty sure we have onomastic and I believe epigraphic evidence for Latin in and around Galilee in the first century (see e.g., "The Galilee Jesus Knew"). Do you happen to know what evidence exists for the attestation that other languages (Phoenician, its offshoot Punic, offshoots of other languages spoken in the Near East/Mediterranean such as Edomite, Moabite, etc.) were used at all in and around the 1st century and in and around Jerusalem & Galilee?

Thanks.

 

[FearGod]

And yet here you are claiming that the Christian savior cried out to Allah. What are you trying to prove?

Because i believe that is his actual name.

First let me educate you about your own language and religion, the word 'Allah' is not the name of God, it simply means al= the, ilah= god. Several related Semitic languages and dialects have variants for such a term, claiming that the Arabic term is superior is about the same as claiming that champignon is better than portobello. In addition claiming that the scriptures of the Jews and Christians are corrupt while trying to misuse them to support your dogma is very poor in educational terms, and of course in terms of basic lack of honor concerning both your heritage and that of others.
This is of course evident from your poor understanding of the Bible, history, and languages, including your own. Not to mention ignorance about the cultures of your region or even the meaning and use of the term Allah in the Quran.

Let me educate you then.

you can't add "the" to a name,like saying "the Gorge" or "the Jesus",thats indeed humorous.

You say oh my God and not oh my the God.

You want to go further with it then i'll be ready to waste more time to prove you 100 % wrong.

 

[Caladan]

It is worth pointing out that few scholars believe any portion of the NT was written in Aramaic, although there is much work on how Semitisms influenced the tradition behind the texts. Also, as you are an archaeologist, I have a question related to (or subfields of) archaeology in Judaea and Galilee in and around the first question. I am pretty sure we have onomastic and I believe epigraphic evidence for Latin in and around Galilee in the first century (see e.g., "The Galilee Jesus Knew"). Do you happen to know what evidence exists for the attestation that other languages (Phoenician, its offshoot Punic, offshoots of other languages spoken in the Near East/Mediterranean such as Edomite, Moabite, etc.) were used at all in and around the 1st century and in and around Jerusalem & Galilee?

Thanks.

That is a really great question which I started appreciating more while writing my thesis (which has to do with paganism and Christianizaton of sacred pagan sites and sanctuaries in Palestine and the Levant). Although it is not a major question in my thesis it is related to it. I don't really have the chance to articulate a constructive answer at the moment (bad timing and place) I will do my best to revisit it.

 

[Caladan]

Because i believe that is his actual name.



Let me educate you then.

you can't add "the" to a name,like saying "the Gorge" or "the Jesus",thats indeed humorous.

You say oh my God and not oh my the God.

You want to go further with it then i'll be ready to waste more time to prove you 100 % wrong.

Arabic, ya zalame, do you speak it? If you claim someone cannot cry out 'The God', why do you insist Jesus did? Since you also claim the Christian Bible is corrupt, maybe his true words were 'Ya Allah'! :biglaugh:

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

I don't really have the chance to articulate a constructive answer at the moment (bad timing and place) I will do my best to revisit it.

I definitely understand timing and wanting to address something related to one's field in a way one feels is constructive, so if you are never able to revisit it I of course understand. If you are able, I'll be more than thankful.

 

[FearGod]

Arabic, ya zalame, do you speak it? If you claim someone cannot cry out 'The God', why do you insist Jesus did? Since you also claim the Christian Bible is corrupt, maybe his true words were 'Ya Allah'! :biglaugh:

You can't call God by adding "the" as you claim the word allah consists of (The + ilah)

Allah is a name by itself, that what they taught in grade 1, mate.

"The" should be separated from the name and only used in specific sentences whereas allah is one word can't be separated, it is as if saying "thegod" is a word means the + God.

Did you see how silly is it.

Do you want to go deep further in showing your ignorance in the Arabic language.

 

[Caladan]

You can't call God by adding "the" as you claim the word allah consists of (The + ilah)

You are the one who claims Jesus called God 'Allah'. Do you even know what you are debating? Your very first post claims that the Bible called God Allah or 'the God' as you make sure to remind us.

Allah is a name by itself, that what they taught in grade 1, mate.

Let me ask you a question, did they ever teach you what the Shahada means? You know, The Islamic profession of faith and the very first pillar of Islam? What do you believe it says? Only if you insist on reviving ancient reference to the pagan god Allah of South and Northern Arabian (and even pre-Arabian) cultures, as a distinct deity named out of a larger pantheon of gods it would carry more etymological weight. In this regard the Islamic term Allah establishes Allah as sole deity after a long battle of eradicating Arabic worship of numerous gods... Ergo: 'There is no god but God'.

"The" should be separated from the name and only used in specific sentences whereas allah is one word can't be separated, it is as if saying "thegod" is a word means the + God.

Let me remind you AGAIN that I am only responding to YOUR use of the word 'Allah', so you are only telling everyone I am right. You are the one who insists that the Bible or Jesus called God 'the God' as you do claim.

Did you see how silly is it.

We all did. However as they say... The king is the last to know he is naked.

Do you want to go deep further in showing your ignorance in the Arabic language.

How can we go further when you haven't realized nor even actually addressed the corrections several members have already made regarding your false assumptions and misinformation?

 

[FearGod]

You are the one who claims Jesus called God 'Allah'. Do you even know what you are debating? Your very first post claims that the Bible called God Allah or 'the God' as you make sure to remind us.

Jesus called Allah in Aramaic = God in English and not "thegod",
you said that Allah is (the + Ilah) and i proved that you were wrong

Let me ask you a question, did they ever teach you what the Shahada means? You know, The Islamic profession of faith and the very first pillar of Islam? What do you believe it says? Only if you insist on reviving ancient reference to the pagan god Allah of South and Northern Arabian (and even pre-Arabian) cultures, as a distinct deity named out of a larger pantheon of gods it would carry more etymological weight. In this regard the Islamic term Allah establishes Allah as sole deity after a long battle of eradicating Arabic worship of numerous gods... Ergo: 'There is no god but God'.

The Shahada is to say no God but Allah,similar if you want to say no God but Jesus and not no God but the Jesus

Is it that hard to grasp that Allah is one word,one name.

Let me remind you AGAIN that I am only responding to YOUR use of the word 'Allah', so you are only telling everyone I am right. You are the one who insists that the Bible or Jesus called God 'the God' as you do claim.

You are the only one here who says that Allah in Arabic = the + ilah
What about Aramaic "Allah" or "Allaha" as stated in the OP and the link which shows the original word of God as Allah Aramaic Bible, Disciples New Testament, Genesis, Exodus, Jonah, Daniel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zechariah, Malachi.

How can we go further when you haven't realized nor even actually addressed the corrections several members have already made regarding your false assumptions and misinformation?

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion,no problem with that.

 

[sojourner]

And who is eli or eloi or what ever word you want to choose.
Do you think Jesus called the creator as "God" or as "Jesus"

Jesus own language was known to be Aramaic and if you don't like the word Allah then that doesn't mean that Jesus didn't use to call God by his name Allah

Let me lay this out very carefully and directly, so that you will understand:

Here's what you said earlier:

The bible in its origin language "the Aramaic language" identify God as Allah, so Christians worship Allah.

The "origin language" of the bible isn't Aramaic. The OT was written in Hebrew. The Hebrew name for God was YHWH. "El" was also used. El isn't "Allah," any more than Helen Hunt is Bonnie Hunt.

The NT was written in Greek. The Greek term for God is "Theos" -- not even close to "Allah."

Jesus spoke Aramaic. Jesus didn't speak Arabic. The Aramaic term for God is "eli" or "eloi," not "Allah." Jesus didn't worship Allah. Jesus worshipped YHWH, because Jesus was a Jew, not a Muslim. The only time Jesus is recorded as using either "eli" or "eloi" is when he is quoting Psalm 22 -- which was written by people who worship YHWH, not Allah.

What you're doing is putting a generic term "God," into its Arabic equivalent ("allah,") then assigning it as a proper name for a specific religious personality: "Allah." Then you note that "Allah" is "close" to "eloi," and try to make us assume that they are one and the same term. They are not. Close doesn't count here. Using that logic, I could say that Jordan and Lebanon are "close" to Israel, therefore it's obvious that the Lebanese and Jordanians are really Jewish.

The Hebrews who wrote the bible didn't worship Islamic Allah. Never have -- never will. Jesus worshiped YHWH, not Islamic Allah. Because Jesus was Jewish, not Muslim. Christians worship God, derived from YHWH, not Islamic Allah. Because we follow Jesus, not your twisted logic.

God, I really hate it when some make these weak attempts to hijack our religion through a misappropriation of language.

 

[sojourner]

Moses probably wrote in Hebrew and the New Testaments were probably written in Greek. Jesus did probably speak Aramaic but since He didnt write the Bible that is not relevant to the languange of the Bible.

Moses probably didn't write anything.

 

[sojourner]

Because i don't think he speaks English.

You speak English. Therefore, according to your "logic," you believe in the Christian God, not Allah.

 

[sojourner]

God's name doesn't belong to any language but since the Angel and Torah contain many contradictions and flaws then it isn't surprising that the real name of God was lost.

Then stop trying to make it "belong" to Arabic, or Aramaic.

There is no "real" name of God, as you mean it.

 

[sojourner]

Because i believe that is his actual name.

But the point isn't what you believe. The point is what Jesus and the Hebrews and Greeks who wrote the bible believed.

 

[sojourner]

Jesus called Allah in Aramaic = God in English

Incorrect. Jesus is reported to have called "eli" in one account, and "eloi" in another account, both being referenced as Aramaic, not Arabic. Neither is "Allah." Both are references to Psalm 22, which were written to YHWH, not Allah.

 

[sojourner]

What about Aramaic "Allah"

What about a non-existent term?

 

[FearGod]

You speak English. Therefore, according to your "logic," you believe in the Christian God, not Allah.

No i don't believe that Jesus is God or Son of God.

Jesus born in our lands and spoke the native language which was Aramaic according to historical facts.

So as you believe Jesus being a middle eastern man then i think you have to believe as well that God to him was Allah.

 

[sojourner]

No i don't believe that Jesus is God or Son of God.

Jesus born in our lands and spoke the native language which was Aramaic according to historical facts.

So as you believe Jesus being a middle eastern man then i think you have to believe as well that God to him was Allah.

You think wrong. Jesus worshiped YHWH. He called God "eloi" in Aramic. Jesus never spoke Arabic. Jesus was not a Muslim. Jesus was Jewish. Not all middle-Eastern people are either Arabic or Muslim.

 

[sojourner]

Jesus born in our lands

What are "your lands?" AFAIK, Jesus was born in Judea. Which was Jewish.

 

[FearGod]

Then stop trying to make it "belong" to Arabic, or Aramaic.

There is no "real" name of God, as you mean it.

I agree, but to say Allah is the moon God can't be true.

 

[Caladan]

No i don't believe that Jesus is God or Son of God.

Jesus born in our lands and spoke the native language which was Aramaic according to historical facts.

Neither in your land, nor in your culture, nor did he speak your tongue, nor was he part of your religion. Just the dry historical facts.

So as you believe Jesus being a middle eastern man then i think you have to believe as well that God to him was Allah.

There are various of People in the Middle East. There are Jews, Persians, Kurds, Druze, Bedouin, Samaritans, and literally countless of other ethnic and religious groups. You simply exemplify the typical Arabic mentality of appropriating the region. The Middle East of antiquity was a cultural furnace of Hellenic, Roman, Egyptian, Persian, Jewish, and plenty of other groups. Islam only arrived 6 centuries later, was formed in the Hejaz, in what is modern Saudi Arabia under considerable inspiration from the aforementioned cultures and religions.