Allah is the lord in the bible

[Caladan]

I think it can be summed up best in the Book of Holes, chapter 1: "And they knew not their holes from an @$$ on the ground."

Amen.

Do not tempt Him, shallow ones! Is not the miracle of the one pound of flesh enough?!

 

[Amandi]

Moses probably didn't write anything.

Are you meaning Moses didnt write anything or are you meaning there is no probably to it?

 

[FearGod]

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Matthew 27:46, King James Version


So, who was Eli ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdrtBl3wupU

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Eloi= Allah= Elohim; Gods name is the same! - YouTube

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Zakir Naik Q&A-37 | Does word ALLAH exist in other religions - YouTube

 

[Caladan]

So, who was Eli ?

If you knew Semitic philology (or if you simply spoke modern Hebrew) you would have your answer. But who do you think Jesus cried out to in the story if not to God? :areyoucra

'My God why have you forsaken me'? Eli not being a name, but 'my God'.

 

[Tumah]

So, who was Eli ?

He's the Deputy Minister of Religious Affairs.

What happened was Jesus and Eli Ben-Dahan had reached an agreement earlier. At 12 o' clock Eli was supposed to have a follow-up meeting with Jesus to discuss improving relations between religion and state. Apparently Jesus' remarks about rendering unto Caesar was based off an earlier discussion with Mr. Dahan. Apparently though, there was some confusion as Eli was talking about a meeting that night while Jesus assumed he meant an noon meeting. By the time 3:00 rolled around Jesus realized that he had made a mistake and exclaimed "Eli [Ben-Dahan], Eli [Ben-Dahan], why have you confused me?" "SaBaCHTaNi" coming from the root word "SiBuCH", meaning complex or complicated.

Don't listen to Caladan, the man can barely curse in Arabic let alone speak a word of Hebrew. This is an important point because only true Sabras (and for some reason people from Scotland) are taught Arabic curses before Hebrew.

 

[sojourner]

Are you meaning Moses didnt write anything or are you meaning there is no probably to it?

Nothing is known for certain in that arena, but the odds are certainly stacked comprehensively against Moses having written anything. Odds are that Moses was a literary figure and not a real person.

 

[sojourner]

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Matthew 27:46, King James Version


So, who was Eli ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdrtBl3wupU

[youtube]cdrtBl3wupU[/youtube]
Eloi= Allah= Elohim; Gods name is the same! - YouTube

[youtube]a5xbjK-hyO8[/youtube]
Zakir Naik Q&A-37 | Does word ALLAH exist in other religions - YouTube

God. But a completely different personification than is connoted by "Allah."

 

[sojourner]

He's the Deputy Minister of Religious Affairs.

What happened was Jesus and Eli Ben-Dahan had reached an agreement earlier. At 12 o' clock Eli was supposed to have a follow-up meeting with Jesus to discuss improving relations between religion and state. Apparently Jesus' remarks about rendering unto Caesar was based off an earlier discussion with Mr. Dahan. Apparently though, there was some confusion as Eli was talking about a meeting that night while Jesus assumed he meant an noon meeting. By the time 3:00 rolled around Jesus realized that he had made a mistake and exclaimed "Eli [Ben-Dahan], Eli [Ben-Dahan], why have you confused me?" "SaBaCHTaNi" coming from the root word "SiBuCH", meaning complex or complicated.

Don't listen to Caladan, the man can barely curse in Arabic let alone speak a word of Hebrew. This is an important point because only true Sabras (and for some reason people from Scotland) are taught Arabic curses before Hebrew.

I once heard an Arab curse in Scottish...

 

[Dirty Penguin]

God. But a completely different personification than is connoted by "Allah."

How do you figure?

 

[sojourner]

How do you figure?

From the tenor of the OP. "Allah" is used as a specific personification, and then conflated with an objective, general descriptor. The end result being that we will take the bait and say, "Yes, the terms mean the same thing (general descriptor)." The poster can then gleefully assert, "See, I told you that Allah (specific personification) is in the bible!"

Not falling for that bait. The specific personification of "Allah" is patently not in the bible.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

From the tenor of the OP. "Allah" is used as a specific personification, and then conflated with an objective, general descriptor. The end result being that we will take the bait and say, "Yes, the terms mean the same thing (general descriptor)." The poster can then gleefully assert, "See, I told you that Allah (specific personification) is in the bible!"

Not falling for that bait. The specific personification of "Allah" is patently not in the bible.

OK...

How is the "personification" of "God" in the OT or as Yeshua described "God" in the NT different from "God" in the Quran?

 

[Caladan]

OK...

How is the "personification" of "God" in the OT or as Yeshua described "God" in the NT different from "God" in the Quran?

It is very simple. Most of us take note of the generic use of the word God, or Eli ('my god'), or Allah (which can be used by Arabic-speaking people of several religions). In this sense we are not the ones who differentiate it from the Qur'anic use of the term: al ilah, compressed into Allah, meaning 'the god' par the context I just gave.
It is FearGod who imposes the Arabic term 'Allah' as supreme personal name, the name of the Islamic god of course... which was supposedly referenced in the Hebrew Bible and uttered by Jesus during the crucifixion. In other words FearGod appropriates the Hebrew and Christian Bibles into the god of the Qur'an, instead of appreciating the fact that many cultures (many before the Qur'an) were already composing the monotheistic theologies which gave the background to the Qur'an.

Or to put it in one sentence: Allah in this sense is not a personal name of God, it is simply another Middle Eastern term to refer to God. c'est tout

We, at least I have no problem with the fact that Muslims use their own language to turn to God. However some Muslims try to appropriate our languages and scriptures into their very limited and subjective humanized form of God. Humanized in the sense that they shape it after the image of their own culture.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

It is very simple. Most of us take note of the generic use of the word God, or Eli ('my god'), or Allah (which can be used by Arabic-speaking people of several religions). In this sense we are not the ones who differentiate it from the Qur'anic use of the term: al ilah, compressed into Allah, meaning 'the god' par the context I just gave.
It is FearGod who imposes the Arabic term 'Allah' as supreme personal name, the name of the Islamic god of course... which was supposedly referenced in the Hebrew Bible and uttered by Jesus during the crucifixion. In other words FearGod appropriates the Hebrew and Christian Bibles into the god of the Qur'an, instead of appreciating the fact that many cultures (many before the Qur'an) were already composing the monotheistic theologies which gave the background to the Qur'an.


Or to put it in one sentence: Allah in this sense is not a personal name of God, it is simply another Middle Eastern term to refer to God. c'est tout

Thanks

some Muslims try to appropriate our languages and scriptures into their very limited and subjective humanized form of God. Humanized in the sense that they shape it after the image of their own culture.

I haven't come across anyone in my family that's done this...but I will concede that there may be some out there that do. Then again...I'm far removed from the Islamic culture given that I'm irreligious...

 

[Caladan]

I haven't come across anyone in my family that's done this...but I will concede that there may be some out there that do. Then again...I'm far removed from the Islamic culture given that I'm irreligious...

I can't tell you how often during my day job when casual theological small talks come up with Muslims (we live in the Holy Land after all ) the consensus is not for them to try to push their dogma, the conversation is not about the supremacy of one religion over the other, but the punch line is always that it is the same God for the faiths of this region. In general, giver or take minor issues, no one even wants to go to the place of this dichotomy. It's not really in our system. (I am of course talking about casual day to day going about, not the entire regional complexities of sectarianism, politics, or religious polemics).

However on the internet (and unfortunately among immigrant communities in Europe) I am usually confronted with Muslims who go out of their way to either nullify other religions or appropriate the Abrahamic ones into their own dogma. It's a shame, because they lost a lot of respect which came naturally before, and which Muslims cannot take for granted anymore.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I can't tell you how often during my day job when casual theological small talks come up with Muslims (we live in the Holy Land after all ) the consensus is not for them to try to push their dogma, the conversation is not about the supremacy of one religion over the other, but the punch line is always that it is the same God for the faiths of this region. In general, giver or take minor issues, no one even wants to go to the place of this dichotomy. It's not really in our system. (I am of course talking about casual day to day going about, not the entire regional complexities of sectarianism, politics, or religious polemics).

However on the internet (and unfortunately among immigrant communities in Europe) I am usually confronted with Muslims who go out of their way to either nullify other religions or appropriate the Abrahamic ones into their own dogma. It's a shame, because they lost a lot of respect which came naturally before, and which Muslims cannot take for granted anymore.

I would tend to agree with you here. You all just have so much history...apart and together. Some good and some not so good but hopefully one day tensions will ease that will allow a more harmonious coexistence. I think it's healthy to discuss the nuances of Abrahamic faiths without it ending in an argument or even bloodshed....rather..leaving the discussion with an understanding and respect..

 

[sojourner]

OK...

How is the "personification" of "God" in the OT or as Yeshua described "God" in the NT different from "God" in the Quran?

Different in the way they are personified. Different in the way in which they interact with humanity.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Different in the way they are personified. Different in the way in which they interact with humanity.

But can't this difference in personification also exist when examining the "God" we see in the OT...vs. The "God" we see in the NT... And also the personification of Yeshua as "God" in the flesh (according to trinitarian beliefs)...?

 

[Leftimies]

Judaism came to be first. Of that, Christianity emerged. Further, from those two, Islam arose. Its all very sensical, logical and easily conceivable.

I am not sure what is the aim of this thread.

 

[sojourner]

But can't this difference in personification also exist when examining the "God" we see in the OT...vs. The "God" we see in the NT... And also the personification of Yeshua as "God" in the flesh (according to trinitarian beliefs)...?

Differences in perspective don't equal different personifications.

 

[Matemkar]

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Who is Allah? Is He the same God as the God of Jews or Christians? - Hassanain Rajabali - YouTube

Nonsense.

What sources do you have that Aramaic is the bibles origin language.

Allah did not exist in literature until the Koran was wrote long after the bible was finished.

Many people think the koran is just a copied version of the bible.

Never seen one Christian pray to allah

Like Arab Muslims, Arab Christians refer to God as Allah, as an Arabic word for "God".[73][74] The use of the term Allah in Arab Christian churches predates Islam by several centuries.[73]

Arab Christians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia