Allah the Arabic name of GOD

[Iti oj]

I think eselam knows better than me in this case .
I guess "Allah" is specific name of God in arabic for the creator , illah is such god considered by anyone as the tree as you said . (as the desire exemple)
as the Christain considerate God is the holy trinity which are one God.

my point is :
it's seems that the name Elah "which is close in spelling to Allah" ,is farvorite name choiced by God to him self, and it's a commun name used by the three semitics langauges (arabic hebrew,aramiac)

ohh iv'e agreed with your thread point the whole time. i have just been asking question for my and your benefit.

 

[Godobeyer]

ohh iv'e agreed with your thread point the whole time. i have just been asking question for my and your benefit.

You welcome for any questions my friend
, i am here to answser and ask also

 

[Iti oj]

how do we know when to use the plural version of illah? many times people would say the god of this but it implies their are many gods but is referring to one...

 

[Godobeyer]

how do we know when to use the plural version of illah? many times people would say the god of this but it implies their are many gods but is referring to one...

as you said before , aaliha , it's mean Gods
Alihatakom mean "your gods"

like this exemple God called the disbelievers Gods , you Gods (Alihatakom )


واذا راك الذين كفروا ان يتخذونك الا هزوا اهذا الذي يذكر الهتكم وهم بذكر الرحمن هم كافرون


21-36
And when those who disbelieve behold thee, they but choose thee out for mockery, (saying): Is this he who maketh mention of your gods? And they would deny all mention of the Beneficent.

 

[Iti oj]

i don't think i asked the right questions...some times a person will refer to a singular god but imply the existence of many. what word would i use then?

 

[Godobeyer]

i don't think i asked the right questions...some times a person will refer to a singular god but imply the existence of many. what word would i use then?

as i understand it's up to the belief (religion) and language how to call God , and what is His value and rules ....etc

if some one belief that God is "a tree", that deny the meaning and the value of others gods even in his language .
but if you are a muslim or jews and aramaic even that you are not it's arabic or hebrew or aramaic is not your first langauge , you would call God "Elah" , its just linguistic matter the context is the same .

 

[England my lionheart]

And you think Christianity and Judaism are anyy different? :sarcastic

I'm not sure what you mean here Jacob,in fact i have no idea.

 

[Godobeyer]

Just FYI, in my church, Aramaic is also often used... and is partially used as part of every Divine Liturgy.

... and for the record, blame fanatic Muslims for my problems with the use of "Allah" - since every time I hear it I expect it to be immediately followed by an explosion and my death.

Get blown up a few times and that view becomes a part of you.

agreed .
yeah some terrorist which called them selfs "Muslims " use it .
and i blame also the western media (in movies ...etc) , which use it as weakness against Islam to make non-muslims fear when they hear it or see it .

but i am talking about why they did not make a litlte pre-search for the meaning "Allah", before they dare to insult the God by other language (Arabic) !!!

 

[Pegg]

what you mean ? can you explain ?
ok don't you called God , in Hebrew , Elah or Elohim and Eloah ?

In the hebrew scriptures, the Isealites identified the name of their Allah by the hebrew characters YHWH. This is known to the jewish people as the 'unspeakable name' because they came to believe that it is too holy to be pronounced. But the name is still written in their hebrew bible as Yahweh. In english it transliterates to Jehovah. (Check the hebrew bible and look go to Exodus chapter 3)

In hebrew the word 'El/'Elohim' means God.... but it is a title, not a personal name.

As you said, there are many allah's...so if you dont have a personal name for your allah, how do you distinguish him between all the many different allahs in the world. For example, Allah Zeus, Allah Molech, Allah Satan, Allah Vishnu, Allah Brahman....all these allah's have personal names which identify them, and their adherents identify their god/allah by these names. But if you only have god/allah as a name for your god, then im not sure it is truly a name.

 

[Godobeyer]

In the hebrew scriptures, the Isealites identified the name of their Allah by the hebrew characters YHWH. This is known to the jewish people as the 'unspeakable name' because they came to believe that it is too holy to be pronounced. But the name is still written in their hebrew bible as Yahweh. In english it transliterates to Jehovah. (Check the hebrew bible and look go to Exodus chapter 3)

In hebrew the word 'El/'Elohim' means God.... but it is a title, not a personal name.

As you said, there are many allah's...so if you dont have a personal name for your allah, how do you distinguish him between all the many different allahs in the world. For example, Zeus, Molech, Satan, Vishnu, Brahman....all these allah's have personal names which identify them and their adherents identify their god/allah by these names. But if you only have god/allah as a name for your god, then im not sure it is truly a name.

maybe this is the different , you use it (Elah) as title and we use it as proper noun Allah .
and you used the name o
we have this issue in Islam (Arabic ) too , there are many names refer to Allah/God about 99 names , and other one mean THE LORD الرب

as i know the word Elohim and Eloah mentioned in the hebrew Bible to God about 2500 times .

 

[Pegg]

maybe this is the different , you use it (Elah) as title and we use it as proper noun Allah .
and you used the name o
we have this issue in Islam (Arabic ) too , there are many names refer to Allah/God about 99 names , and other one mean THE LORD الرب

as i know the word Elohim and Eloah mentioned in the hebrew Bible to God about 2500 times .

you just pointed out the difference

you use the word 'allah' as a proper noun. In our language it is not a proper noun but a common noun and in most other languages it is a common noun.

Being a common noun means it does not identify a personality which is why there can be many Allah's. For a specific personality to be identified, we use proper nouns....and the proper noun which identifies the Hebrew God (Abrahams God) is Yahweh.

Your personal name is a proper noun. It identifies you. It is the same with the Abrahams God. His name is Yahweh which is a proper noun to identify him.

 

[JacobEzra.]

I'm not sure what you mean here Jacob,in fact i have no idea.

Yep mate, looking back I realize I thought you said something else.

Lack of sleep makes one loony.

 

[FearGod]

Well I am not going by anything presented by the media (western or otherwise) -- just going by personal experience.

I am not sure how much you have traveled, but my experience in Muslim countries has caused me to fear the name "Allah"... I dismiss the view that it is only "terrorists" who believe "infidels" should die ---> I have heard this preached and watched it implemented in a half a dozen Muslim nations.

I am sure you are a perfectly nice Muslim person... but just for a minute consider that your opinion of what a Muslim is might not be the reality for the rest of the Muslim world.

Sad to say, but for most of the non-Muslim world, "Allah akbar" is simply what one shouts before they explode.

I pray your view becomes the norm.

Which country you visited which that muslim instruct to kill infidels,and did you face dangerous
while you stayed in that country,did anyone tried to kill you while you were walking in the market
and if not,then what makes you fear and why you were not afraid to visit and travel to those countries.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Words don't have absolute meanings. They are like buckets which are filled with meaning. In this case, regardless of how it's translated in other cultures, the word "Allah" has taken on a NEW meaning in the West. For many of us in the West, Allah is the word for what we view is the false god of the Muslims. And no, Christians do not worship the same god as Jews and Muslims. We believe our God has a son.

 

[FearGod]

Somalia, Yemen, Saudi Arabia , Israel, Indonesia, Bosnia ....do I need to go on?

Seriously, do you not know what is taught outside of your own community?

In one country a old woman looked at the beads in my hand and smiled ... when my hand moved and she saw it was a rosary, she spit on me and moved on.

I'm not offering these as proof of anything ... maybe I have just REALLY bad luck and continually meet Muslims who want to destroy Israel and the US ...

Again - I pray my experience is not the norm - and only offer this so you know why some people hear "Allah" and are disgusted.

** edit **
Notice I skipped Iraq and Afganistan ... Muslims may have had other reasons for trying to kill me in those countries....

lets start with Somalia and i will go ahead after your comment

Watch that nice song from Somalia,but i guess what you faced there was a crazy woman,
so you were unlucky at that time,but also you were lucky that you didnt face one crazy terrorist.

Hope you will enjoy the song,if you didnt see one in Somalia

[youtube]qMbEfr2x6a0[/youtube]
Sweet Rush "Animal" - YouTube

 

[Godobeyer]

you just pointed out the difference

you use the word 'allah' as a proper noun. In our language it is not a proper noun but a common noun and in most other languages it is a common noun.

Being a common noun means it does not identify a personality which is why there can be many Allah's. For a specific personality to be identified, we use proper nouns....and the proper noun which identifies the Hebrew God (Abrahams God) is Yahweh.

Your personal name is a proper noun. It identifies you. It is the same with the Abrahams God. His name is Yahweh which is a proper noun to identify him.

you absolutly right .

 

[Godobeyer]

Well I am not going by anything presented by the media (western or otherwise) -- just going by personal experience.

no i am not with you in this , the media ,had big rule in this , because it's always represent and focus so much in the crimes that done by some "mulims" crimanals , and it's did not show and focus on the crimes that done by the western armies , for exemple USA army victimes in Iraq that they bombing by the planes , they even ,they did not invesitage to whom kill by "error" the Iraqi victimes .

I am not sure how much you have traveled, but my experience in Muslim countries has caused me to fear the name "Allah"... I dismiss the view that it is only "terrorists" who believe "infidels" should die ---> I have heard this preached and watched it implemented in a half a dozen Muslim nations.

Allah , is a name called every day 5 times by ATHAN , accross a many muslims countries ,for that, if you fear and you are not in confidence why you come to Muslims countries ?

I am sure you are a perfectly nice Muslim person... but just for a minute consider that your opinion of what a Muslim is might not be the reality for the rest of the Muslim world.

thanks , you too a nice and honest person , yeah i am not considerate 1.5 billion person as criminals .

Sad to say, but for most of the non-Muslim world, "Allah akbar" is simply what one shouts before they explode.

I pray your view becomes the norm.

unforunilty some muslims use it to kill each other too,for exemple in Libya war (that the west involve in it) last months ago , the both muslims sides use it when they kill each other !!!!, i am always say there is BIG different between Islam and some muslims .
this is the point if some muslims do crimes we blame the Islam or the whom do that crimes ?

btw
Allah Akbar mean in English "God is the great ".

 

[Godobeyer]

Words don't have absolute meanings. They are like buckets which are filled with meaning. In this case, regardless of how it's translated in other cultures, the word "Allah" has taken on a NEW meaning in the West. For many of us in the West, Allah is the word for what we view is the false god of the Muslims. And no, Christians do not worship the same god as Jews and Muslims. We believe our God has a son.

as i understand , We and the Jews , worship the only GOD , which you considerate in Christinianity "The father"

I guess you did not read some of pre-replies in this thread , you just read the title then you reply ?

 

[Godobeyer]

Somalia, Yemen, Saudi Arabia , Israel, Indonesia, Bosnia ....do I need to go on?

you visited all these countries and you still alive
if we considerate that some of them was individual crimes , as Indonesia , as i know the crimes are done in whole the world , even in USA , sometimes we heard that someone shout his friends in school ...etc
in other countries we have some civilain wars, and political issues , and of course some "muslims" criminales .

Seriously, do you not know what is taught outside of your own community?
In one country a old woman looked at the beads in my hand and smiled ... when my hand moved and she saw it was a rosary, she spit on me and moved on.

you get scare also from old muslim woman !!!! OMG

I'm not offering these as proof of anything ... maybe I have just REALLY bad luck and continually meet Muslims who want to destroy Israel and the US ...

could you explain where you met these Muslims that whom want to destroy Israel and USA ?
my next question :
don't you meat some non-muslims want to destroy all the muslims ?

I met them .

Again - I pray my experience is not the norm - and only offer this so you know why some people hear "Allah" and are disgusted.

I did not understand yet your experience, you visited some muslims countries ? or chat with some muslims ? ...Etc can you explain more ?

** edit **
Notice I skipped Iraq and Afganistan ... Muslims may have had other reasons for trying to kill me in those countries....

yeah you right , it's not required to any western people to go there , because the of crimes that done by the westerns armies their .
it's like a revenge matter.

just last month an american soldier killed 16 innocent afghani , without any reason (maybe he was drunk ) .
Afghanistan: US Soldier Held By Nato Isaf After Civilian Shooting Spree | World News | Sky News

I just post this to know that also some western people done some crimes against muslims , it's not matter of comparation or who kill more , but it's just to be fair .

 

[Scott1]

Thanks for the chat, but I don't care to expand on it - just wanted you to understand my opinion....

... I have killed so many Muslims in my life -- and just continue to pray moderate folks like you continue to gain influence so the killing may end.

Peace be with you,
S