Allergies and Other Proofs Against God

[Vile Atheist]

yea i've noticed. you cheer me up as well sooner or later everything becomes food to this Earth. now it is feeding us and some day we would feed Earth with our bodies.

i do not think i am just flesh and bones though...do you think you are?

Basically. And I'm fine with that notion.

 

[richardlowellt]

i do not think i am just flesh and bones though...do you think you are?
You may not be, but I am most definitely only flesh and bone, should I be composed of something else?

 

[Willamena]

You may not be, but I am most definitely only flesh and bone, should I be composed of something else?

Don't know about you guys, but I'm, at least in part, composed of ideas. To deny that denies human nature --not to mention ideas.

(And Richardlowell, it is hard to tell which line you're saying and which you're quoting. Perhaps distinguish them in some way, please.)

 

[Vile Atheist]

Don't know about you guys, but I'm, at least in part, composed of ideas. To deny that denies human nature --not to mention ideas.

(And Richardlowell, it is hard to tell which line you're saying and which you're quoting. Perhaps distinguish them in some way, please.)

We're basically one huge blob of chemicals interacting in very complex ways. Any ideas or other byproducts are secondary to the fact that we are just a huge blob of chemicals.

 

[McBell]

We're basically one huge blob of chemicals interacting in very complex ways. Any ideas or other byproducts are secondary to the fact that we are just a huge blob of chemicals.

Are you saying I'm fat!?

 

[Vile Atheist]

Are you saying I'm fat!?

No! Noooo! I wouldn't dream of it! You're....husky! Festively plump!! Certainly not fat!

 

[Willamena]

We're basically one huge blob of chemicals interacting in very complex ways.

Yes :yes:; and we are the ideas we hold (like the idea that we are all "chemical blobs"). The ideas we hold also work to compose us (if they didn't, phsychologists would be out of a job).

Any ideas or other byproducts are secondary to the fact that we are just a huge blob of chemicals.

Now, that's an interesting idea.

 

[logician]

Who needs proof "against" a supposed god, when there is no proof "for" one.

It's the positive assertion that has the burden of proof.

 

[Vile Atheist]

Who needs proof "against" a supposed god, when there is no proof "for" one.

It's the positive assertion that has the burden of proof.

I certainly hope you don't open that old can of worms again.

 

[logician]

I certainly hope you don't open that old can of worms again.

See Bertrand Russell's, "The celestial teapot" discussion.

 

[Smoke]

God made you with allergies so that other people can find ways to cure them. Suffering is there for us to remove it.

Perhaps that's the reason for dogmatic religion, as well. It's here so we can find a cure for it.

 

[Tiapan]

See Bertrand Russell's, "The celestial teapot" discussion.

and "Has man a future?"

Cheers

 

[Danarch]

Perhaps that's the reason for dogmatic religion, as well. It's here so we can find a cure for it.

I wonder if one could get funding to find such a cure.:shout

 

[URAVIP2ME]

so god punishes a perfect human for being imperfect by making imperfection a hereditary trait?

God had already taught perfect Adam that sinning would result in death.

Once an electric fan is unplugged from its source it slows down until it stops.
Once Adam was, so to speak, 'unplugged' from his source of life, then Adam gradually slowed down in imperfection leading to death.

Adam, as our family head, passed down that imperfection to us not God.
God honored Adam's free will to choose. And choose Adam did to our detriment, but Jesus will restore perfection during his millennial or thousand-year reign over earth.
(Rev 22:2)

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Foolish premise, My great grandfather committed a crime, so now my children's children will have to pay for his crime. There children's children might ask, "why are we being punished for something that didn't involve us, and for someone we never knew." I'm sure you don't see how stupid this is, but I can only thank Crom that I am not apart of this sick mindset.

But it does involve us. Not only did a powerful spirit creature, Satan, get Adam to disobey, the book of Job (2:4) shows we are also challenged by Satan to disobey. We all the opportunity to prove Satan a liar.

Sometimes children do pay all of their lives for the crimes of their parents such as crack babies, or being born to drunken mothers, etc.

 

[McBell]

God had already taught perfect Adam that sinning would result in death.

Verse please.

Once an electric fan is unplugged from its source it slows down until it stops.
Once Adam was, so to speak, 'unplugged' from his source of life, then Adam gradually slowed down in imperfection leading to death.

So you would have me to believe that a "perfect" adam did not show imperfection by "unplugging" his fan?

Adam, as our family head, passed down that imperfection to us not God.
God honored Adam's free will to choose. And choose Adam did to our detriment, but Jesus will restore perfection during his millennial or thousand-year reign over earth.
(Rev 22:2)

So not only was Adam not perfect, as demonstrated by his choosing to sin, but now God is punishing all mankind for Adams sin?

You do not want to get me started on the whole Jesus charade.

 

[McBell]

But it does involve us.

No it doesn't.
I do not care what you claim, I had absolutely NOTHING to do with the sin committed by Adam.

Not only did a powerful spirit creature, Satan, get Adam to disobey, the book of Job (2:4) shows we are also challenged by Satan to disobey. We all the opportunity to prove Satan a liar.

So we are being punished for the sins of Adam, because god let Satan trick him?

Interesting picture you paint of your deity.

Sometimes children do pay all of their lives for the crimes of their parents such as crack babies, or being born to drunken mothers, etc.

So God is no better than a drunken mother or a mother who does crack?

 

[richardlowellt]

But it does involve us. Not only did a powerful spirit creature, Satan, get Adam to disobey, the book of Job (2:4) shows we are also challenged by Satan to disobey. We all the opportunity to prove Satan a liar.

Sometimes children do pay all of their lives for the crimes of their parents such as crack babies, or being born to drunken mothers, etc.

With or without religion, good people will do good things and bad people will do evil, but for good people to do evil----that takes religion.

As a parent you know your young child loves cookies, but you have told her cookies are bad for her and she must not eat cookies. So you leave the cookies unattended on the table, in plain sight, an then hide and watch to see if she disobeys, and when she does you severely punish her. Is this what a good parent would do?

Evil has been the one thing very difficult for the religious to square.

1.) "God cannot exist without evil" or "Evil is necessary as a counterpart to evil"

2.) "Evil is necessary as a means to good."

3.) "The universe is better with some evil in it than it could be if there were no evil."

4.) "Evil is due to human free will."

Each of these solutions implies a restriction o God's omnipotence. If god cannot create good without evil, that is a limit to his power. If God gives gives humans free will, then that is a restriction on his control of events.

 

[.lava]

With or without religion, good people will do good things and bad people will do evil, but for good people to do evil----that takes religion.

nope, religion does not cause people do things. it is ignorance of men.

Evil has been the one thing very difficult for the religious to square.

1.) "God cannot exist without evil" or "Evil is necessary as a counterpart to evil"

2.) "Evil is necessary as a means to good."

3.) "The universe is better with some evil in it than it could be if there were no evil."

4.) "Evil is due to human free will."

Each of these solutions implies a restriction o God's omnipotence. If god cannot create good without evil, that is a limit to his power. If God gives gives humans free will, then that is a restriction on his control of events.

you talk about religious as if they are another species. why?

God does anything it wants and oneness belongs to God therefor it created everything in pairs. except for God, there is an opposite for everything.






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[McBell]

God does anything it wants and oneness belongs to God therefor it created everything in pairs. except for God, there is an opposite for everything.

Why the exception for God?