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Allergies and Other Proofs Against God

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
In any event, if you do not know this god, how do you know if he/she is a demon or not? You have to know them before you can really decide if you like them or not. ;)

My default position is I don't like any particular God over another as I don't believe any exist.
 

.lava

Veteran Member
It is good to know yourself... but... Doesn't Islam teach followers to be selfless like Christianity? I think it is a little hard to be selfless if you are only concentrating on yourself?

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
(Old Testament | Psalms82:6)

do you consider yourself to be a creation of Allah? Are the creations of Allah not glorious? limit the potential of the creation, and you limit the ability of the creator. Why should the glorious creation have any limits? Only a limited creator would produce a limited creation...

i hear you but how could you possibly become selfless if you did not know yourself in the first place?

yes, i consider human beings as creation and also manifestation of God. each human has a unique combination of names of God. we are given Spirits. but we are also given ego and freewill. we might be glorious without ego. but we have weaknesses. weakness of ego are lack of a name of God. we first purify our egos. while doing it we get to know ourselves. when it is purified, one would be a perfect manifestation of God.






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richardlowellt

Well-Known Member
LOL!
(but fix your post, I did not say "Then I can count myself as one of the lucky ones for not KNOWING this demon god. Eternity with this demon god on one side and dogmatic christians on the other would be my idea of hell.")


In any event, if you do not know this god, how do you know if he/she is a demon or not? You hae to know them before you can really decide if you like them or not. ;)

Sorry for the confusion, no YOU did not say that, I SAID I CAN COUNT MYSELF AS ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES FOR NOT KNOWING THIS DEMON GOD.

I know from his/her/it's/ press releases, you know slaughtering all the newborn males in Egypt, instructing how to stone to death misbehaving teens, and his biggest triumph, getting a little edgy and flooding the entire globe thereby becoming histories most prodigious murderer. I suppose I shouldn't believe everything I read, but those who support this demon god, swear that all this is true.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
What kind of sick deity would create people in such a way that they are allergic to the planet wherein there were born? I mean, really! Case in point, I am allergic to grass, pollen, mold, trees and nature in general as well as having wonderful food allergies to such harmful things as melons, bananas, nuts (but not peanuts), fish (but not shellfish), tomatoes and pretty much everything except chocolate and Dr. Pepper.
God must really despise you! I'm not allergic to ANYTHING! :D
 

idea

Question Everything
i hear you but how could you possibly become selfless if you did not know yourself in the first place?

I said it was good to know yourself, just that there is more to it than that.


yes, i consider human beings as creation and also manifestation of God. each human has a unique combination of names of God. we are given Spirits. but we are also given ego and freewill. we might be glorious without ego. but we have weaknesses. weakness of ego are lack of a name of God. we first purify our egos. while doing it we get to know ourselves. when it is purified, one would be a perfect manifestation of God.
So... you believe that you will know God when you become purified? If so, we would say the same thing.
 

.lava

Veteran Member
Thanks for the complete and utter gibberish. I really have no idea what you are trying to say and I'm not really sure you do either. "People as serious questions to other people, this is just wrong?" What are you saying?? Alone in his Rab? WHAT?????

you may not know yet but i enjoy talking to you. i really do not mean to be anything negative. i hope you see that. i do not fight over stuff like this. because i find it very personal.

let me ty to explain what it means to be alone with God on Earth. accoring to me, God let things happen and whatever happens to an adult has a meaning. in my world, by following certain principles, i see i have an inside world and an outside world that reflects what i have within me, not the other way around. i am not saying what's around me is God. but i do believe God lets happen things for a reason. so IMO reality around me; all the incidents that find me, how people treat me, how i feel when i'm lied....etc. are all my relationship with my God. therefor i say i am alone with my Rab.

"I don't understand why you ask these questions" Because this is a format for asking questions and receiving answers.

but i said i DO understand why you ask these questions.

No way you can share? Is that because you have no real answers to the questions I posed? Look, why don't you just say, "I have no idea what I am talking about, I just believe because I have nothing else to believe in, I can't tell you anything about this god thing because I can't possibly know about things that don't really exist, I just believe thats all" That would be fine with me, but all this meaningless gibberish is just you dancing around the questions I asked. I have never seen such "tap dancing" in my life. Well actually I have, in the debates I have had with creationists.

i could not say those things because that would be lie.

real answers? you know, i am not a liar. but i am not authority either.

btw what makes you think one earns real answers while he is mocking the questions he asks? you think you have answers and to be honest those answers are real to you and i do respect that because i believe that's your relationship with God that i have faith in. i am just saying there is no place for me in your relationship with it. if you find this stupid, then i really do not know what to say to you.






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idea

Question Everything
Sorry for the confusion, no YOU did not say that, I SAID I CAN COUNT MYSELF AS ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES FOR NOT KNOWING THIS DEMON GOD.

I know from his/her/it's/ press releases, you know slaughtering all the newborn males in Egypt, instructing how to stone to death misbehaving teens, and his biggest triumph, getting a little edgy and flooding the entire globe thereby becoming histories most prodigious murderer. I suppose I shouldn't believe everything I read, but those who support this demon god, swear that all this is true.

make up your mind - do you "not know" this God? or do you know Him?

25 ... for there is nothing which is good save it comes from the Lord; and that which is evil cometh from the devil.
(Book of Mormon | Omni 1:25)

The God I believe in only does that which is good. All evil comes from the Devil, all good comes from God. Very simple. I do not follow a demon God either.
 

McBell

Unbound
make up your mind - do you "not know" this God? or do you know Him?

25 ... for there is nothing which is good save it comes from the Lord; and that which is evil cometh from the devil.
(Book of Mormon | Omni1:25)

The God I believe in only does that which is good. All evil comes from the Devil, all good comes from God. Very simple. I do not follow a demon God either.
So God did not create everything after all.
 

idea

Question Everything
So God did not create everything after all.

Bingo!

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/5_creator.html
Hebrew Word Studies
Creator
[SIZE=+1]By Jeff A. Benner[/SIZE]
[FONT=Palatino Linotype, Book Antiqua, Palatino, Georgia]Pronunciation: "Qa-NeH"[/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino Linotype, Book Antiqua, Palatino, Georgia]Meaning: To build a nest.[/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino Linotype, Book Antiqua, Palatino, Georgia]Comments: This child root is a nest builder, one who builds a nest such as a bird. Also God as in Bereshiyt (Genesis) 14.19; "God most high creator (qaneh) of sky and earth". The English word "create" is an abstract word and a foriegn concept to the Hebrews. While we see God as one who makes something from nothing (create), the Hebrews saw God like a bird who goes about acquiring and gathering materials to build a nest (qen), the sky and earth. The Hebrews saw man as the children (eggs) that God built the nest for. [/FONT]


[FONT=Palatino Linotype, Book Antiqua, Palatino, Georgia]The English word "create" is an abstract word and a foriegn concept to the Hebrews[/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino Linotype, Book Antiqua, Palatino, Georgia]IOW - the word create - with the def that most give it - should not be in the Bible. "transform what eternally exists" is a better descript of what is actually going on. [/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino Linotype, Book Antiqua, Palatino, Georgia]God did not make anything out of nothing. He is transforming what eternally exists. What is not perfect = what has not allowed itself to be transfored yet.[/FONT]

God is cleaning up a mess He did not make... and He is doing this without taking anyone's agency from them.


29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 93:29)
 
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richardlowellt

Well-Known Member
you think you have answers and to be honest those answers are real to you and i do respect that because i believe that's your relationship with God that i have faith in.





I have no relationship with God, for me he/she/it/does not exist.




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richardlowellt

Well-Known Member
make up your mind - do you "not know" this God? or do you know Him?

25 ... for there is nothing which is good save it comes from the Lord; and that which is evil cometh from the devil.
(Book of Mormon | Omni 1:25)

The God I believe in only does that which is good. All evil comes from the Devil, all good comes from God. Very simple. I do not follow a demon God either.

I can't know of anything that does not exist.
 

idea

Question Everything
so that leaves the question of where all the 'bad/evil' came from.

you don't get something from nothing. Thermodynamics - conservation principles - everything that now is has always been and always will be - in one form or another.

Conservation of mass/energy. The origins debate is pointless. There is no origin.
 

idea

Question Everything
don't you believe God created Satan?






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No, I don't believe that God created Satan.
Do you?

The Immortal Intelligence

I have another subject to dwell upon, which is calculated to exalt man; but it is impossible for me to say much on this subject. I shall therefore just touch upon it, for time will not permit me to say all. It is associated with the subject of the resurrection of the dead—namely, the soul—the mind of man —the immortal spirit. Where did it come from? All learned men and doctors of divinity say that God created it in the beginning; but it is not so: the very idea lessens man in my estimation. I do not believe the doctrine; I know better. Hear it, all ye ends of the world; for God has told me so; and if you don’t believe me, it will not make the truth without effect. I will make a man appear a fool before I get through; if he does not believe it. I am going to tell of things more noble.
We say that God Himself is a self-existing being. Who told you so? It is correct enough; but how did it get into your heads? Who told you that man did not exist in like manner upon the same principles? Man does exist upon the same principles. God made a tabernacle and put a spirit into it, and it became a living soul. (Refers to the Bible.) How does it read in the Hebrew? It does not say in the Hebrew that God created the spirit of man. It says, “God made man out of the earth and put into him Adam’s spirit, and so became a living body.”

The mind or the intelligence which man possesses is co-equal [co-eternal] with God himself. I know that my testimony is true; hence, when I talk to these mourners, what have they lost? Their relatives and friends are only separated from their bodies for a short season: their spirits which existed with God have left the tabernacle of clay only for a little moment, as it were; and they now exist in a place where they converse together the same as we do on the earth.
I am dwelling on the immortality of the spirit of man. Is it logical to say that the intelligence of spirits is immortal, and yet that it has a beginning? The intelligence of spirits had no beginning, neither will it have an end. That is good logic. That which has a beginning may have an end. There never was a time when there were not spirits; for they are co-equal [co-eternal] with our Father in heaven.

I want to reason more on the spirit of man; for I am dwelling on the body and spirit of man—on the subject of the dead. I take my ring from my finger and liken it unto the mind of man—the immortal part, because it had no beginning. Suppose you cut it in two; then it has a beginning and an end; but join it again, and it continues one eternal round. So with the spirit of man. As the Lord liveth, if it had a beginning, it will have an end. All the fools and learned and wise men from the beginning of creation, who say that the spirit of man had a beginning, prove that it must have an end; and if that doctrine is true, then the doctrine of annihilation would be true. But if I am right, I might with boldness proclaim from the housetops that God never had the power to create the spirit of man at all. God himself could not create himself.

Intelligence is eternal and exists upon a self-existent principle. It is a spirit from age to age and there is no creation about it. All the minds and spirits that God ever sent into the world are susceptible of enlargement.

The first principles of man are self-existent with God. God himself, finding he was in the midst of spirits and glory, because he was more intelligent, saw proper to institute laws whereby the rest could have a privilege to advance like himself. The relationship we have with God places us in a situation to advance in knowledge. He has power to institute laws to instruct the weaker intelligences, that they may be exalted with Himself, so that they might have one glory upon another, and all that knowledge, power, glory, and intelligence, which is requisite in order to save them in the world of spirits.

This is good doctrine. It tastes good. I can taste the principles of eternal life, and so can you. They are given to me by the revelations of Jesus Christ; and I know that when I tell you these words of eternal life as they are given to me, you taste them, and I know that you believe them. You say honey is sweet, and so do I. I can also taste the spirit of eternal life. I know that it is good; and when I tell you of these things which were given me by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, you are bound to receive them as sweet, and rejoice more and more.
http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?h...toid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD
 
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