Allergies and Other Proofs Against God

[.lava]

Why the exception for God?

because it is the creator. but his names contains some opposites.





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[richardlowellt]

nope, religion does not cause people do things. it is ignorance of men.



you talk about religious as if they are another species. why?

God does anything it wants and oneness belongs to God therefor it created everything in pairs. except for God, there is an opposite for everything.






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Boy thats how to meet an opposing view head on, invoke your God as doing anything he likes. You have completely dodged the issue of evil claiming your God is beyond any reason, maybe thats why he/she/it/ is so hard to believe in.

 

[.lava]

Boy thats how to meet an opposing view head on, invoke your God as doing anything he likes. You have completely dodged the issue of evil claiming your God is beyond any reason, maybe thats why he/she/it/ is so hard to believe in.

hard to believe in because it is beyond what it created? why is that? would it make more sense if God was in creation? if yes, why?






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[richardlowellt]

hard to believe in because it is beyond what it created? why is that? would it make more sense if God was in creation? if yes, why?






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It would make more sense if there was ANY reasonable evidence of this fictitious being. You simply cannot know of anything that is beyond what it created. with the exception of a poorly written book, there is not the slightest shred of evidence that any such THING exists, and you may believe, but have absolutely no way of knowing such a THING exists.

 

[McBell]

because it is the creator. but his names contains some opposites.

Is god an exception or not?

 

[.lava]

Is god an exception or not?

IMO neighter. God is not an option or is not an existance to judge. i do not think we could fully understand it. we reach borders of our intellect before we fully grasp it.






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[McBell]

IMO neighter. God is not an option or is not an existance to judge. i do not think we could fully understand it. we reach borders of our intellect before we fully grasp it.

I do not understand this as written.

 

[.lava]

I do not understand this as written.

i am sorry i mean God is not in creation. all the concepts we could possibly talk about belong to creation. exception is one of them. existance and non-existance is also concepts that belong to creation. my mind is not able to comprehend beyond.






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[richardlowellt]

i am sorry i mean God is not in creation. all the concepts we could possibly talk about belong to creation. exception is one of them. existance and non-existance is also concepts that belong to creation. my mind is not able to comprehend beyond.


you are not being logical at all, if all concepts belong to creation except God, then one could never know of his existence. If you are not able to comprehend beyond existence and non-existent then it becomes impossible for you to comprehend God.

 

[.lava]

i am sorry i mean God is not in creation. all the concepts we could possibly talk about belong to creation. exception is one of them. existance and non-existance is also concepts that belong to creation. my mind is not able to comprehend beyond.


you are not being logical at all, if all concepts belong to creation except God, then one could never know of his existence. If you are not able to comprehend beyond existence and non-existent then it becomes impossible for you to comprehend God.

you may never find one single post of mine where i said 'i can comprehend God'. noone can. but that does not mean God is not able to give you proofs or that does not mean it is impossible to see God. anything is possible but none of them are in our power. it is God who's all powerful.





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[richardlowellt]

you may never find one single post of mine where i said 'i can comprehend God'. noone can. but that does not mean God is not able to give you proofs or that does not mean it is impossible to see God. anything is possible but none of them are in our power. it is God who's all powerful.



And you continue to be illogical, how is it possible to "see" god? Don't resort to that metaphysical line of reasoning, what hard evidence do you have that enables you to "see" god? I what way does this god give "proofs?" and once again please no metaphysical explanations. "It is god who is all powerful" How do you know this god is all powerful, what physical action has he/she/it/ taken within our naturalistic realm that would make anyone conclude that this "thing" was all powerful?

 

[.lava]

And you continue to be illogical, how is it possible to "see" god? Don't resort to that metaphysical line of reasoning, what hard evidence do you have that enables you to "see" god? I what way does this god give "proofs?" and once again please no metaphysical explanations. "It is god who is all powerful" How do you know this god is all powerful, what physical action has he/she/it/ taken within our naturalistic realm that would make anyone conclude that this "thing" was all powerful?

logic would never be logical enough if there was no illogic so logic can not exist without its opposite. i just wanted to mentionthat, that's all.

physic and metaphysics are opposites too. they are both creation. physics simply reflects what metaphysics holds. so to speak, a sickness first occur on metaphysics then on physical.

most of your questions would be answered as 'i know from personal experience'.

oh dear...look, i do understand why you ask these questions. i really do but there is no way i can share. people ask serious questions to other people. this is just wrong. that's not how things work. you or anyone..everyone is ALONE with his Rab. you are alone with it.






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[idea]

What kind of sick deity would create people in such a way that they are allergic to the planet wherein there were born? I mean, really! Case in point, I am allergic to grass, pollen, mold, trees and nature in general as well as having wonderful food allergies to such harmful things as melons, bananas, nuts (but not peanuts), fish (but not shellfish), tomatoes and pretty much everything except chocolate and Dr. Pepper.

And there are people with far worse allergies - some of them potentially fatal.

It is my contention that no deity in his/her right mind would torture people thus.

I'd love to say more but I am going to go pray to Saint Benadryl...

LOL! Sorry to hear it. We moved down South, now I am starting to get allergies, it's a total bummer . I mean you'd think evolution would have equipped us with something better than we currently have by now - this is all evolutions fault, not God's.

In any event, God created us? not really - "create" is a translation error. All the creates in the bible are supposed to be "transform" - God is cleaning up a mess He did not create.

see:
Hebrew Word Studies
Hebrew Word Studies
Creator
[SIZE=+1]By Jeff A. Benner[/SIZE]
[FONT=Palatino Linotype, Book Antiqua, Palatino, Georgia]Pronunciation: "Qa-NeH"[/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino Linotype, Book Antiqua, Palatino, Georgia]Meaning: To build a nest.[/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino Linotype, Book Antiqua, Palatino, Georgia]Comments: This child root is a nest builder, one who builds a nest such as a bird. Also God as in Bereshiyt (Genesis) 14.19; "God most high creator (qaneh) of sky and earth". The English word "create" is an abstract word and a foriegn concept to the Hebrews. While we see God as one who makes something from nothing (create), the Hebrews saw God like a bird who goes about acquiring and gathering materials to build a nest (qen), the sky and earth. The Hebrews saw man as the children (eggs) that God built the nest for. [/FONT]


"The English word "create" is an abstract word and a foriegn concept to the Hebrews." - ie, the word create should not be in the Bible.

 

[idea]

you may never find one single post of mine where i said 'i can comprehend God'. noone can.

If no one can know God, then no one will have eternal life, for eternal life is only for those who know God...

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (New Testament | John17:3)

The whole point is to come to know God.

Doctrines of devils to say God is unknowable.

 

[.lava]

The whole point is to come to know God.

Doctrines of devils to say God is unknowable.

the whole point is to come to know yourself. as much as you get to know yourself you know your Rab but we have limits and God does not. therefor i say noone could know God totally.






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[idea]

the whole point is to come to know yourself. as much as you get to know yourself you know your Rab but we have limits and God does not. therefor i say noone could know God totally.

It is good to know yourself... but... Doesn't Islam teach followers to be selfless like Christianity? I think it is a little hard to be selfless if you are only concentrating on yourself?

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
(Old Testament | Psalms82:6)

do you consider yourself to be a creation of Allah? Are the creations of Allah not glorious? limit the potential of the creation, and you limit the ability of the creator. Why should the glorious creation have any limits? Only a limited creator would produce a limited creation...

 

[richardlowellt]

logic would never be logical enough if there was no illogic so logic can not exist without its opposite. i just wanted to mentionthat, that's all.

physic and metaphysics are opposites too. they are both creation. physics simply reflects what metaphysics holds. so to speak, a sickness first occur on metaphysics then on physical.

most of your questions would be answered as 'i know from personal experience'.

oh dear...look, i do understand why you ask these questions. i really do but there is no way i can share. people ask serious questions to other people. this is just wrong. that's not how things work. you or anyone..everyone is ALONE with his Rab. you are alone with it.

Thanks for the complete and utter gibberish. I really have no idea what you are trying to say and I'm not really sure you do either. "People as serious questions to other people, this is just wrong?" What are you saying?? Alone in his Rab? WHAT?????

"I don't understand why you ask these questions" Because this is a format for asking questions and receiving answers. No way you can share? Is that because you have no real answers to the questions I posed? Look, why don't you just say, "I have no idea what I am talking about, I just believe because I have nothing else to believe in, I can't tell you anything about this god thing because I can't possibly know about things that don't really exist, I just believe thats all" That would be fine with me, but all this meaningless gibberish is just you dancing around the questions I asked. I have never seen such "tap dancing" in my life. Well actually I have, in the debates I have had with creationists.

 

[richardlowellt]

If no one can know God, then no one will have eternal life, for eternal life is only for those who know God...

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (New Testament | John17:3)

The whole point is to come to know God.

Doctrines of devils to say God is unknowable.

Then I can count myself as one of the lucky ones for not KNOWING this demon god. Eternity with this demon god on one side and dogmatic christians on the other would be my idea of hell.

 

[Vile Atheist]

Then I can count myself as one of the lucky ones for not KNOWING this demon god. Eternity with this demon god on one side and dogmatic christians on the other would be my idea of hell.

My idea of Hell involves an endless Dilbert comic strip.

 

[idea]

My idea of Hell involves an endless Dilbert comic strip.

LOL!
(but fix your post, I did not say "Then I can count myself as one of the lucky ones for not KNOWING this demon god. Eternity with this demon god on one side and dogmatic christians on the other would be my idea of hell.")


In any event, if you do not know this god, how do you know if he/she is a demon or not? You hae to know them before you can really decide if you like them or not.