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am i going to hell

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thau

Well-Known Member
Are you going to hell because you are Buddhist?

Surely not!

Are you going to hell?

Not one person on earth could ever answer that. Know that the Catholic Church has never said any individual is in hell nor would they ever. That is what is most meant by God alone is to judge. But if you ask does hell exist the answer is indubitably.

I will add that knowingly worshipping false idols is not a good practice. And false idols can cover a lot of ground. Of course I suspect most non Christian devout and well behaved souls are not knowingly worshipping a false idol.

I would also add that I would not listen to one word for one second coming from the character who calls himself “satans right hand man”


 
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FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
thau said:
Are you going to hell because you are Buddhist?

Surely not!

Are you going to hell?

Not one person on earth could ever answer that. Know that the Catholic Church has never said any individual is in hell nor would they ever. That is what is most meant by God alone is to judge. But if you ask does hell exist the answer is indubitably.

I will add that knowingly worshipping false idols is not a good practice. And false idols can cover a lot of ground. Of course I suspect most non Christian devout and well behaved souls are not knowingly worshipping a false idol.

I would also add that I would not listen to one word for one second coming from the character who calls himself “satans right hand man”


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What's a false idol?
 
ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
Hmm...

It is a good question. I don't know of very many religions that bend down and worship a statue or something. Even if people bend down to a statue, they are not actually praying to the statue, just using as a point of reference, it appears.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
No idea if that makes sense from a historical or ethmological perspective, but could it be that a "false idol" is some sort of religious reference that the adherent claims to believe in but in reality does not?

If so, then worship to false idols would turn out to be insincerity of belief, wouldn't it?
 
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FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
ChristineES said:
Hmm...

It is a good question. I don't know of very many religions that bend down and worship a statue or something. Even if people bend down to a statue, they are not actually praying to the statue, just using as a point of reference, it appears.
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Odd isn't it. People say Idol, but there doesn't seem to be anything that can relate to it in current times.
 
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FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
LuisDantas said:
No idea if that makes sense from a historical or ethmological perspective, but could it be that a "false idol" is some sort of religious reference that the adherent claims to believe in but in reality does not?

If so, then worship to false idols would turn out to be insincerity of belief, wouldn't it?
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That does seem to be what the Bible mentions. I.e. the part where it says that they build the statue themselves and worship the actual statue. Lol I suppose that today's false idol is money?
 
ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
FranklinMichaelV.3 said:
That does seem to be what the Bible mentions. I.e. the part where it says that they build the statue themselves and worship the actual statue. Lol I suppose that today's false idol is money?
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We call it the "almighty dollar". People also "worship" power, fame, attention, drugs, etc.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Yes, you are. The bible says:

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He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. - Matthew 12.30
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He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. - Mark 16.16
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He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. - John 3.18
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He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. - John 3.36
If you aren't for Jesus, you are against Jesus. If you are against Jesus, you are damned and won't have eternal life.
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Nah. Too oversimplified and taken waaaaay out of context.
What, exactly, does it mean to with "with" or "against" Christ? How does being a Buddhist constitute being "against" Christ?
What does it really mean to "believe?" "Believe" what? What were the circumstances under which Jesus said that? Do those circumstances apply to us? Or not?
What, exactly, does "condemned" mean?
These passages all come from different gospels, which all have different agendas. I don't think one can simply spout a few passages out of context and make definitive statements, such as the ones you've made, and remain on the safe side of responsible.
 
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FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
I don't think it's Idol is related to just worship, there has to be more to it. I.e. this particular scene:

And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? And the captain of the LORD's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.
 
ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
FranklinMichaelV.3 said:
But then you have to ask what the word worship even means? Does it mean to bow down and be supplicant or recognize the value?
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Worship means a different thing to different people. In some cases, it's to put something ahead of even yourself and God (if you believe in God).
 
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thau

Well-Known Member
FranklinMichaelV.3 said:
What's a false idol?
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idav is right --- basically anything you love more than God and spend an inordinate amount of your free time upon it. Money, sex, laziness and video games are all false idols if abused.

In a stricter sense, false religions' deities are false idols as well. But someone may not be as culpable of a severe sin if they knew no better. Having said that, Muslim extremists killing innocents -- they aren't fooling anybody including themselves or their consciences. They are knowingly at fault for their crimes.
 
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FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
thau said:
idav is right --- basically anything you love more than God and spend an inordinate amount of your free time upon it. Money, sex, laziness and video games are all false idols if abused.

In a stricter sense, false religions' deities are false idols as well. But someone may not be as culpable of a severe sin if they knew no better. Having said that, Muslim extremists killing innocents -- they aren't fooling anybody including themselves or their consciences. They are knowingly at fault for their crimes.
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What do you consider a false religion?
 
NobodyYouKnow

NobodyYouKnow

Misanthropist
Hello.

I have often been told by Christians that I am 'going to Hell' - even by some Hindus as well. lolz

I think of it this way - to avoid going to Hell (not that I believe there's any such place...like Heaven), one must be really, really holy, spiritual and pious.

Even Jesus, himself had to spend time in Hell to liberate souls trapped there...even Jesus lost his temper in the marketplace and accrued 'divine Sin'.

Yudhisthira was a very truthful man. He never told a lie in his life.

This was his Dharma - his 'promise to God' that he would always remain open, honest and truthful. Yudhisthira was the master of truth!

One day, Yudhisthira was forced/tricked into lying by omission. He wasn't really aware of what happened.

His punishment? He had to spend some time in Hell with the other Pandavas, his brothers, eventually rescuing them from the clutches of Lord Yama.

Now, if such noble souls as Yudhisthira, the Pandavas and even Jesus, himself couldn't avoid going to Hell, what chance does a shameful and sinful soul such as mine have from escaping it?

I console myself with the knowledge that even if there were a Hell/Heaven, everything I use to 'experience my surroundings' with, dies at the same time I do. Only the Soul survives and according to my religious teachings, the Soul is totally beyond the concept of punishment, pleasure, pain, enjoyment and anything that can be provided through using the five senses...so where does that leave the concept of actually experiencing an afterlife?

Even if there were a Hell and I could 'experience' it, there are two things I know:

1. I would be in the best of company &
2. According to Dante, I would only reach the first Circle 'limbo' and that's not so bad there.

Plato, Aristotle and Socrates live there, so again, refer to point #1. LOL
 
roger1440

roger1440

I do stuff
Yes, you are going to hell. Worst yet, you will spend eternity with my ex. I swear she must be the spawn of Satan.
 
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