American Muslim women protest gender apartheid at mosque.

[Gabethewiking]

AUTODIDACT please don't be mad ... i got those statistics from the media

which is the same place you people got the wrong information about ISLAM
MUSLIM country are poor that's true , but we are not poor because we are following the religion of ISLAM a good example is saudi-Arabia, kwait ) they are both Muslim countries and they have one of the highest standard of living in the world

Yes, and Kwait is following WESTERN culture that is why they have a better life then "real" Arabs (if you have a look, you would notice that ALL Arab nations having traditional view of the Quran live in poverty whiles the ones becoming WESGTERNIZED are becoming good or better).

You proved my point
But you know that.

I do have a Question, you where the one saying you should FOLLOW the Qu ran, whre you not? And that they "do not" and that is why it is bad? So why are nations NOT following the Quran the most superior and the ones that DO follow it, especially more fundamental, the most backwards nations on the planet?

 

[aymen amir]

Yes, and Kwait is following WESTERN culture that is why they have a better life then "real" Arabs (if you have a look, you would notice that ALL Arab nations having traditional view of the Quran live in poverty whiles the ones becoming WESGTERNIZED are becoming good or better).

You proved my point
But you know that.

I do have a Question, you where the one saying you should FOLLOW the Qu ran, whre you not? And that they "do not" and that is why it is bad? So why are nations NOT following the Quran the most superior and the ones that DO follow it, especially more fundamental, the most backwards nations on the planet?

why did you choose KUWAIT and not Saudi -Arabia??
because Saudi Arabia is ruling with the QURAN or at least some of it


following the Quran isn't easy specially in our time because the Quran asks the rulers to be JUST even if it was against their own family non of the rulers of the ISLAMIC countries are JUST or even near that... and don't forget the other factors such as other BIG BAD countries trying to impose its way of life

 

[.lava]

(if you have a look, you would notice that ALL Arab nations having traditional view of the Quran live in poverty whiles the ones becoming WESGTERNIZED are becoming good or better).

that's sooo wrong! Westernized ones having a trouble because poor becomes poorer and rich becomes richer. it is not good at all.

i am sorry but seems like you're trying to make religion pay the bill. you certainly do not know about Muslim nations. you just see how poor or whatever they are and you're generalizing in the way you like. if this is part of being Western, i do not want it (of course, that would be my answer if you don't mean something else by WESGTERNIZED -since you did not mean evoluton theory by evolution, well, who knows? )

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[Gabethewiking]

that's sooo wrong! Westernized ones having a trouble because poor becomes poorer and rich becomes richer. it is not good at all.

i am sorry but seems like you're trying to make religion pay the bill. you certainly do not know about Muslim nations. you just see how poor or whatever they are and you're generalizing in the way you like. if this is part of being Western, i do not want it (of course, that would be my answer if you don't mean something else by WESGTERNIZED -since you did not mean evoluton theory by evolution, well, who knows? )

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You mean like does poor people in Scandinavia? Do you know, the main problems they have as they abolished poverty is MUSLIM IMMIGRATION (honour killings, mutilating their daughters and violence and crime and so on).

Your opinion on this? You seem to think U.S economy is the only western world, perhaps Canada or Holland or Australia would work better for you?


I LIVED in Indonesia, the MOST popualted Muslim nation.. Do you consider Indonesia a "true" muslim nation? They have both good and bad and certainly not as poor as most middle eastern muslim nations.. So I ask you to retract or explain..

 

[.lava]

You mean like does poor people in Scandinavia? Do you know, the main problems they have as they abolished poverty is MUSLIM IMMIGRATION (honour killings, mutilating their daughters and violence and crime and so on).

Your opinion on this? You seem to think U.S economy is the only western world, perhaps Canada or Holland or Australia would work better for you?


I LIVED in Indonesia, the MOST popualted Muslim nation.. Do you consider Indonesia a "true" muslim nation? They have both good and bad and certainly not as poor as most middle eastern muslim nations.. So I ask you to retract or explain..

since when do you care for my opinion?


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[Gabethewiking]

why did you choose KUWAIT and not Saudi -Arabia??
because Saudi Arabia is ruling with the QURAN or at least some of it


following the Quran isn't easy specially in our time because the Quran asks the rulers to be JUST even if it was against their own family non of the rulers of the ISLAMIC countries are JUST or even near that... and don't forget the other factors such as other BIG BAD countries trying to impose its way of life

Saudia Arabia is hardly the best option, I took Kuwait to be nice to you.. .And All modern things, Technology and Medicine comes from a WESTERN mind, WE given it to THEM and THEY decided to become MORE WESTERN... I guess I mean MODERN with Western...

If you look at nations that EMBRACE modern life, western life, TV, cellphones, technology and medicines, they become better, they take the technology with respect for woman and men, homosexual or straight and so on, it is all combined.

Yes, We got Big Bad Nations like my own attacking and killing, but we are not talking about us, we are talking about Muslim nations here, are we not?

 

[Gabethewiking]

since when do you care for my opinion?


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You said I had no knowledge about "muslim nations", perhaps you do not consider Indonesia "muslim", I do not know. Perhaps they are not "true", I asked you, you did not respond.

 

[aymen amir]

You mean like does poor people in Scandinavia? Do you know, the main problems they have as they abolished poverty is MUSLIM IMMIGRATION (honour killings, mutilating their daughters and violence and crime and so on).

Your opinion on this? You seem to think U.S economy is the only western world, perhaps Canada or Holland or Australia would work better for you?


I LIVED in Indonesia, the MOST popualted Muslim nation.. Do you consider Indonesia a "true" muslim nation? They have both good and bad and certainly not as poor as most middle eastern muslim nations.. So I ask you to retract or explain..

your still not getting the point all these you mentioned got some truth in them , but ISLAM isn't responsible

 

[.lava]

Yes, We got Big Bad Nations like my own attacking and killing, but we are not talking about us, we are talking about Muslim nations here, are we not?

ahh don't be childish if you are talking about being Westernize, then YES, you are talking about Western nations

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[aymen amir]

Saudia Arabia is hardly the best option, I took Kuwait to be nice to you.. .And All modern things, Technology and Medicine comes from a WESTERN mind, WE given it to THEM and THEY decided to become MORE WESTERN... I guess I mean MODERN with Western...

If you look at nations that EMBRACE modern life, western life, TV, cellphones, technology and medicines, they become better, they take the technology with respect for woman and men, homosexual or straight and so on, it is all combined.

Yes, We got Big Bad Nations like my own attacking and killing, but we are not talking about us, we are talking about Muslim nations here, are we not?

ALL THESE technologies your that your bragging about were developed with the Muslim's money care to deny this ??

 

[Gabethewiking]

your still not getting the point all these you mentioned got some truth in them , but ISLAM isn't responsible

Okey, back to Malaysia, a Muslim country then.
The History of the British has given them a Western mind, respect for woman and not blind obediance to a book, this made them wealthy and Advanced, do you not see the relevance here at the same time as countries like Egypt are backwards and poor?

I am not saying Western is good or "better", there may be plenty of bad things in Western culture, I do not know any of them but no doubt you could tell me.

 

[Gabethewiking]

ALL THESE technologies your that your bragging about were developed with the Muslim's money care to deny this ??

You seem to miss the point.
Tell me Aymen, Why do Muslims not produce BMW's, Cellphones and Spaceships?

Why do Western nations do this and not your own? Why are WE MODERN and YOU ARE NOT? Are you saying that MODERN thinking is irrelevant? Are you saying MEDICATIONS and VACCINES are not worth anything?

 

[.lava]

You said I had no knowledge about "muslim nations", perhaps you do not consider Indonesia "muslim", I do not know. Perhaps they are not "true", I asked you, you did not respond.

what happened to all those things i responded? we slightly passed them by so that you can ask more questions and probably the same questions from a different angle -well, sort of-..

it is not my business to decide who's Muslim and who's not. you know judgement is done by God. i am supposed to be judged, am not suppose to be the judge

you don't know our culture, our history and dynamics in our public well enough. that's what i am saying. maybe you travelled in some Muslim nations, that's nice but you don't inhale all of these stuff as if they were in the air. there are hundreds of years of history behind

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[Gabethewiking]

.lava and aymen amir

I guess you are right, Islam is the good and this is why the world will be a better place with you at the steering wheel, I was just looking at the facts, showing that modern nations like Sweden, Denmark and so forth are Highly Advanced and some of the most Secular nations on the planet, having free and good education, healthcare and a safe societies as well as creating amazing technologies, this would contradict what you claim, but alas, what do I know.

I will not bother you about it anymore, obviously you know more then me and any statistics I can supply.

 

[Gabethewiking]

what happened to all those things i responded? we slightly passed them by so that you can ask more questions and probably the same questions from a different angle -well, sort of-..

it is not my business to decide who's Muslim and who's not. you know judgement is done by God. i am supposed to be judged, am not suppose to be the judge

you don't know our culture, our history and dynamics in our public well enough. that's what i am saying. maybe you travelled in some Muslim nations, that's nice but you don't inhale all of these stuff as if they were in the air. there are hundreds of years of history behind

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I lived in a muslim nation, thats not enough? I need to be there for hundreds of years? Wow.

 

[aymen amir]

.lava and aymen amir

I guess you are right, Islam is the good and this is why the world will be a better place with you at the steering wheel, I was just looking at the facts, showing that modern nations like Sweden, Denmark and so forth are Highly Advanced and some of the most Secular nations on the planet, having free and good education, healthcare and a safe societies as well as creating amazing technologies, this would contradict what you claim, but alas, what do I know.

I will not bother you about it anymore, obviously you know more then me and any statistics I can supply.

are you being sarcastic ??? any ways the only thing i would like to say be4 we end this debate .. is please GABE learn about Islam with an open mind you & you will realize that it is in fact a religion of peace and it has solutions for the problems that we as mankind are facing

 

[Gabethewiking]

are you being sarcastic ??? any ways the only thing i would like to say be4 we end this debate .. is please GABE learn about Islam with an open mind you & you will realize that it is in fact a religion of peace and it has solutions for the problems that we as mankind are facing

Once again, I lived in a Muslim country (Actually, several Malaysia and Indonesia) so I think I see enough.

And no, sarcastic, why? I just pointed out where I get my info and knowledge, are you saying that the Swedes and Danes live differently then from what I said?

 

[aymen amir]

Once again, I lived in a Muslim country (Actually, several Malaysia and Indonesia) so I think I see enough.

And no, sarcastic, why? I just pointed out where I get my info and knowledge, are you saying that the Swedes and Danes live differently then from what I said?

they have one of the highest rates of suicide

again learn islam from books not its followers

 

[.lava]

I lived in a muslim nation, thats not enough? I need to be there for hundreds of years? Wow.

and you probably talked to people as you talk to me now. you are ignoring things i am saying. you would have heard me only if my words supported your claim.

i am little tired. you believe as you wish. in case you decide to value what i say as a friend, let me know

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[Gabethewiking]

they have one of the highest rates of suicide

again learn islam from books not its followers

No, they have the most accurate statistics regarding suicide.

How do I learn Islam if not from the followers?

and you probably talked to people as you talk to me now. you are ignoring things i am saying. you would have heard me only if my words supported your claim.

i am little tired. you believe as you wish. in case you decide to value what i say as a friend, let me know

Fine.