American Muslim women protest gender apartheid at mosque.

[Autodidact]

all the Imams, Prophets and messengers are male

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.Why?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

YA .but she can only pray with her fellow women & at home ... because the voice of women makes men wonder what she looks like and all these things

Does the voice of a man make a woman wonder what he looks like? Is the Imam's voice a distraction for the women?

 

[aymen amir]

But then why aren't men seperated as well? Men would be distracted by eachother as well, be it homosexuals or friends, family or just being social.

if you watch a video of Muslims prayers would notice its very different from other religions just to get a idea watch some of this video

[youtube]kaAzd5qP6AI[/youtube]
YouTube - ‫إبداع المعيقلي في فجر الجمعة‬‎

 

[Autodidact]

YA .but she can only pray with her fellow women & at home ... because the voice of women makes men wonder what she looks like and all these things

Men can preach to women, but women can't preach to men?

 

[aymen amir]

Does the voice of a man make a woman wonder what he looks like? Is the Imam's voice a distraction for the women?

not as much as the voice of women

 

[.lava]

.Why?

mainly because it is a though job

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[Father Heathen]

not as much as the voice of women

Have in-depth studies and surveys been conducted to verify this?

 

[Autodidact]

mainly because it is a though job

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Say what? Women can't do tough jobs?!?

 

[Father Heathen]

mainly because it is a though job

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Point being? How is that relevant?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

not as much as the voice of women

But it is a distraction to some degree?

So some level of distraction in a mosque is acceptable?

 

[Gabethewiking]

if you watch a video of Muslims prayers would notice its very different from other religions just to get a idea watch some of this video

[youtube]kaAzd5qP6AI[/youtube]
YouTube - ‫إبداع المعيقلي في فجر الجمعة‬‎

I lived in the most popualted Muslim nation on the planet, I know about the culture I am just curious about the Mosque setup as woman are seperated but the men are not, what about homosexual muslims, whatever they came out or not would be irrelevant, your god would know about homosexuals as well, right?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I lived in the most popualted Muslim nation on the planet, I know about the culture I am just curious about the Mosque setup as woman are seperated but the men are not, what about homosexual muslims, whatever they came out or not would be irrelevant, your god would know about homosexuals as well, right?

Also, I know I could be very distracted if I found myself next to someone I disliked. I don't suppose they have a special section for people who have made a lot of enemies, do they?

 

[Gabethewiking]

Also, I know I could be very distracted if I found myself next to someone I disliked. I don't suppose they have a special section for people who have made a lot of enemies, do they?

Penguins stabbing note aside, let me clarify: You say Woman are seperated from men as they are a distraction, I do not know if this is because muslim men/woman are less controlled then Christian ones, but that aside, to follow this line of thought you need to then seperate men and men and woman and woman as well, as you would have homosexual male and female amonst the congregation, this would be equal to the male and female distraction.

Do you Muslim guys have a view on this?

 

[Smoke]

It doesn't seem to be a problem in Christian churches. Do they have more discipline and self-control than Muslims?

Orthodox Jews and traditional Orthodox Christians also segregate men and women. It is different in the church. Muslim and Orthodox Jewish women usually pray in a balcony or behind a wall, screen, or curtain, where they are out of sight of the men. Orthodox Christian women stand on the left side of the church as you face the altar, and the men on the right. They aren't screened off or relegated to a balcony; the spaces are equal and in sight of each other. In most Orthodox Churches in the US, separation of the sexes is no longer practiced, mainly due to Western influence -- the same influence that has introduced pews and organs to Orthodox churches.

I really don't have a problem with separation of the sexes. It breaks up couples and families during the Liturgy, emphasizing the community over the family unit. (Of course, it is presumed that there are only heterosexual couples in the church.) More importantly to me, a church that separates the sexes is a church that eschews pews and organs -- two things that should have no place in an Orthodox church. I also don't think the separate-but-genuinely-equal approach is as offensive as relegating women to the back of the worship space, to a place behind a wall or screen, or to a balcony. It does seem to bother some people who aren't used to it, though.

 

[Smoke]

Penguins stabbing note aside, let me clarify: You say Woman are seperated from men as they are a distraction, I do not know if this is because muslim men/woman are less controlled then Christian ones, but that aside, to follow this line of thought you need to then seperate men and men and woman and woman as well, as you would have homosexual male and female amonst the congregation, this would be equal to the male and female distraction.

Do you Muslim guys have a view on this?

None of the Abrahamic religions have traditionally acknowledged that it is usual, must less desirable, to have gay men or women among the congregation. The few Abrahamic communities that acknowledge homosexuality without being horrified by it are always communities that don't separate the sexes anyway.

 

[Gabethewiking]

None of the Abrahamic religions have traditionally acknowledged that it is usual, must less desirable, to have gay men or women among the congregation. The few Abrahamic communities that acknowledge homosexuality without being horrified by it are always communities that don't separate the sexes anyway.

I was talking in the light of reality, I draw the assumption that the muslim members here, debating, accept the fact that a certain percentage of the human population is homosexuals and asked with this as my basis.

With this in mind, I want to know how they relate to it, as there is a specific percentage of their congregation that is homosexual, whatever opinions they may have about it or if they feel 'horrified' by it is irrelevant, it is a fact we got homosexuals in all societies and in all groups.

 

[Storm]

Orthodox Jews and traditional Orthodox Christians also segregate men and women. It is different in the church. Muslim and Orthodox Jewish women usually pray in a balcony or behind a wall, screen, or curtain, where they are out of sight of the men. Orthodox Christian women stand on the left side of the church as you face the altar, and the men on the right. They aren't screened off or relegated to a balcony; the spaces are equal and in sight of each other. In most Orthodox Churches in the US, separation of the sexes is no longer practiced, mainly due to Western influence -- the same influence that has introduced pews and organs to Orthodox churches.

I really don't have a problem with separation of the sexes. It breaks up couples and families during the Liturgy, emphasizing the community over the family unit. (Of course, it is presumed that there are only heterosexual couples in the church.) More importantly to me, a church that separates the sexes is a church that eschews pews and organs -- two things that should have no place in an Orthodox church. I also don't think the separate-but-genuinely-equal approach is as offensive as relegating women to the back of the worship space, to a place behind a wall or screen, or to a balcony. It does seem to bother some people who aren't used to it, though.

This is a bit off topic, but why should pews and organs have no place in an Orthodox church?

 

[xkatz]

With this in mind, I want to know how they relate to it, as there is a specific percentage of their congregation that is homosexual, whatever opinions they may have about it or if they feel 'horrified' by it is irrelevant, it is a fact we got homosexuals in all societies and in all groups.

They most likely either 1) Deny there are homosexuals in their communities or 2) Persecute them, anything from trying to "correct" their beahavior to condemning them to death

 

[aymen amir]

I was talking in the light of reality, I draw the assumption that the muslim members here, debating, accept the fact that a certain percentage of the human population is homosexuals and asked with this as my basis.

With this in mind, I want to know how they relate to it, as there is a specific percentage of their congregation that is homosexual, whatever opinions they may have about it or if they feel 'horrified' by it is irrelevant, it is a fact we got homosexuals in all societies and in all groups.

off course we have homosexuals .. but i would never know .. because in Muslim society its not just some thing you can be proud of or let every one know as homosexuality is forbidden is ISLAM

 

[Gabethewiking]

off course we have homosexuals .. but i would never know .. because in Muslim society its not just some thing you can be proud of or let every one know as homosexuality is forbidden is ISLAM

Excellent, so we have no problem with denial here, see Amir, they assumed you would deny it and I held my view that heck no, they will accept it.

So then back to my question, isn't it a bit contradictory to seperate men and woman but not men/men and woman/woman? I do realize it depends on country to country, area to area, culture and so on, but by the Qu'ran you follow and all, whats the deal here?