American Muslim women protest gender apartheid at mosque.

[LittleNipper]

American Muslim women protest gender apartheid at mosque.

Thoughts? Again, especially from Muslims?

As a Christian, I look at it this way. When Roman Catholic women what to become priests, my thought is, if you don't like Roman Catholicism, become something else. The same is just as true for Muslims. If people don't like the supposed "truths" surrounding being a Muslim, is changing those supposed "truths" going to bring more "truth" to being a Muslim?

Perhaps Mohammedism is not totally true ------------- especially, if it needs adjustments...........................

 

[Smoke]

When Roman Catholic women what to become priests, my thought is, if you don't like Roman Catholicism, become something else.

That's pretty much how I feel about it, too. Old Catholics ordain women, Anglicans ordain women, and there are dozens of Independent Catholic denominations. Continuing to remain in the Roman Catholic Church is like staying in an abusive marriage. There are plenty of other fish in the sea.

 

[Sahar]

Yeah but if you're in a Mosque praying, God-knows what many things will distract you.

Anything could distract you, and anything could not distract you. Who's saying that Women:

1) Will distract the Men.
2) The distraction of Women (or any distraction in general) will negatively affect a Muslim's prayer capability to God.

I don't know, maybe the article I quoted help to understand the Islamic perspective on women and men being in the mosque together.

Heh... I used to not worry about that sort of thing, but I have in the last few months, ever since my father-in-law left a family gathering wearing my shoes. We have the same sized feet, and I guess our shoes looked similar.

LOL

I'm not sure what you mean here: are you saying that women wearing hijab, all lined up behind men, makes it like the men are wearing the hijab?

"Them" refers to women. This way guards their hijab more.

That still wouldn't prevent the sort of arrangement that Smoke described for traditional Orthodox Christian churches: men on one side and women on the other, separate, but in positions that are equal in terms of status and stature.

I don't see how the Islamic order is unjust for women. Behind each other or two sides, what's the difference?
Anyway, there shouldn't be any gap in the one line. And the number of women who pray at the mosque is much less than that of men.

 

[Gabethewiking]

And the number of women who pray at the mosque is much less than that of men.

Why?
Your population is 50/50 is it not?

If there is less woman that would be the Males fault as men run the nation/culture in Islamic nations and for some reason, less woman can/will go to prayer, why is this?

 

[aymen amir]

Why?
Your population is 50/50 is it not?

If there is less woman that would be the Males fault as men run the nation/culture in Islamic nations and for some reason, less woman can/will go to prayer, why is this?

the number of women in the population is greater than men .. i think she was referring to the mosque attendance

 

[Gabethewiking]

the number of women in the population is greater than men .. i think she was referring to the mosque attendance

And I asked Why?
Why would there be less woman then men praying? Are Muslim woman better educated and/or intelligent then men (better education equals less religious) or is there some other reason?

 

[aymen amir]

And I asked Why?
Why would there be less woman then men praying? Are Muslim woman better educated and/or intelligent then men (better education equals less religious) or is there some other reason?

no its just a matter of traditions ...that women don't leave the house that often i think not4me could explain better

 

[Gabethewiking]

no its just a matter of traditions ...that women don't leave the house that often i think not4me could explain better

Yeah but so is walking without clothes and not using computers, but here we are in our slippers typing away on computers, very untraditional, why not change and promote change?

Your religion is also traditional for that matter, to a certain extent (until it wasn't made up it didn't exist).

 

[Sahar]

Why?
Your population is 50/50 is it not?

If there is less woman that would be the Males fault as men run the nation/culture in Islamic nations and for some reason, less woman can/will go to prayer, why is this?

Well, men praying in congregation at the mosque is highly recommended which requires going there five times a day. It's optional for women and her prayer at her home is much better, she doesn't have to go and pray at the mosque unlike men yet if she wanted to, no one should prohibit or stop her as the prophet (pbuh) said.
Even if all women went to pray at mosques and the percentage of men to women is 50/50, still women number would be less as a percentage of them would be menstruating. :cover:
The number of women is increased during the Friday prayer, the night prayers in Ramadan and the Eid prayers; the Eid prayer is highly recommended for the woman even if she is on her menses and can't pray.

 

[aymen amir]

:clap

Well, men praying in congregation at the mosque is highly recommended which requires going there five times a day. It's optional for women and her prayer at her home is much better, she doesn't have to go and pray at the mosque unlike men yet if she wanted to, no one should prohibit or stop her as the prophet (pbuh) said.
Even if all women went to pray at mosques and the percentage of men to women is 50/50, still women number would be less as a percentage of them would be menstruating. :cover:
The number of women is increased during the Friday prayer, the night prayers in Ramadan and the Eid prayers; the Eid prayer is highly recommended for the woman even if she is on her menses and can't pray.

:clap

 

[.lava]

And I asked Why?
Why would there be less woman then men praying? Are Muslim woman better educated and/or intelligent then men (better education equals less religious) or is there some other reason?

you know, the exact time of prayer is not the only time to perform salaats. i mean, if ezan goes at 3, people would be in mosque for salaat and after they leave the mosque, Muslims still can go there to perform salaats. i rather do that. i don't like crowd

.

 

[Gabethewiking]

Well, men praying in congregation at the mosque is highly recommended which requires going there five times a day. It's optional for women and her prayer at her home is much better, she doesn't have to go and pray at the mosque unlike men yet if she wanted to, no one should prohibit or stop her as the prophet (pbuh) said.
Even if all women went to pray at mosques and the percentage of men to women is 50/50, still women number would be less as a percentage of them would be menstruating. :cover:
The number of women is increased during the Friday prayer, the night prayers in Ramadan and the Eid prayers; the Eid prayer is highly recommended for the woman even if she is on her menses and can't pray.

Some questions.

1. Why would menstruation hinder a womans praying activity?
2. Wouldn't praying 5 times a day hinder the man from doing much work at home, such as taking care of his kids, be with his wife, cooking, cleaning and all does things?

 

[Gabethewiking]

you know, the exact time of prayer is not the only time to perform salaats. i mean, if ezan goes at 3, people would be in mosque for salaat and after they leave the mosque, Muslims still can go there to perform salaats. i rather do that. i don't like crowd

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Is that according to Scripture or you being "liberal"?

Else it means it is pretty flexible does it not? Would it allow for any man or woman to go whatever time they want and as many times they want or is it a set figure of minimum etc?

 

[aymen amir]

AM going to pray right now ... i will be back

to answer your Questions

 

[Sahar]

Some questions.

1. Why would menstruation hinder a womans praying activity?
2. Wouldn't praying 5 times a day hinder the man from doing much work at home, such as taking care of his kids, be with his wife, cooking, cleaning and all does things?

Actually monthly menstruation and postpartum bleeding nullify ablution, and it's prohibited for women to pray and fast at that time. Just like it's prohibited to pray after sexual intercourse to pray and it nullifies ablution unless ghusl (bathing the whole body) is performed. As for why, I don't have an answer.

From Islamonline:
When it comes to Islamic rulings pertaining to umurta`bbudiyyah (acts of worship) acts, we ought not to ask why. Rather, we should demonstrate the slogan of 'we hear and we obey'.
Part of the logic behind exempting menstruating women from fasting and prayer, I can say that upon the onset of the period the woman becomes very weak and experiences weakness and fatigue in her whole body, and that is why Allah, the Most Merciful, exempts her from fasting and prayer in order not to add to her weakness.
Why Menstruating Women Do Not Fast? - IslamonLine.net - Ask The Scholar

 

[.lava]

Is that according to Scripture or you being "liberal"?

Else it means it is pretty flexible does it not? Would it allow for any man or woman to go whatever time they want and as many times they want or is it a set figure of minimum etc?

it is not about me being liberal. it is the nature of time of salaats. for example today, ezan for noon salaat was around 12:30. the time for noon salaat ended around 15:00 (or maybe 15:30). performing salaat for noon takes like 15 minutes but we are given a few hours to perform it. one can perform his salaat inbetween those hours

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[.lava]

Actually monthly menstruation and postpartum bleeding nullify ablution, and it's prohibited for women to pray and fast at that time. Just like it's prohibited to pray after sexual intercourse to pray and it nullifies ablution unless ghusl (bathing the whole body) is performed. As for why, I don't have an answer.

From Islamonline:
When it comes to Islamic rulings pertaining to umurta`bbudiyyah (acts of worship) acts, we ought not to ask why. Rather, we should demonstrate the slogan of 'we hear and we obey'.
Part of the logic behind exempting menstruating women from fasting and prayer, I can say that upon the onset of the period the woman becomes very weak and experiences weakness and fatigue in her whole body, and that is why Allah, the Most Merciful, exempts her from fasting and prayer in order not to add to her weakness.
Why Menstruating Women Do Not Fast? - IslamonLine.net - Ask The Scholar

fasting is not forbidden during period of ladies. it does not require ablution. but women are given freedom not to fast because menstruating might be tiring. yet for salaats, one can not perform it without ablution. if you cut your finger for example and if it bleeds it would end ablution as well. that's how we know it

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[Sahar]

2. Wouldn't praying 5 times a day hinder the man from doing much work at home, such as taking care of his kids, be with his wife, cooking, cleaning and all does things?

Where is "from sleeping" and "from his job" too?
Al Fajr prayer in many places of the globe requires waking up from your sleep to pray 4 or 5 am and for men recommended to pray at the mosque, imagine how it would be if it was cold too . Part of the prayers while you're in your job during the day. Anyway, if each prayer took an average of say 20 min, this would mean that you spend around one and half hour praying, and it could be much less, doesn't meeting the Creator deserve this? Watching a silly movie takes time more than this.
No, it doesn't hinder anyone from doing any job. Giving 10 min five times a day to our merciful and beautiful God is nothing.

 

[Gabethewiking]

it is not about me being liberal. it is the nature of time of salaats. for example today, ezan for noon salaat was around 12:30. the time for noon salaat ended around 15:00 (or maybe 15:30). performing salaat for noon takes like 15 minutes but we are given a few hours to perform it. one can perform his salaat inbetween those hours

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Could this be the reason that most Muslim nations are so poor and backwards? That they pray more then actually working making their nation a better one? With all does prayers all the time, I cant see how you would be able to really build a society that would work very well... ?

 

[Sahar]

fasting is not forbidden during period of ladies. it does not require ablution. but women are given freedom not to fast because menstruating might be tiring. yet for salaats, one can not perform it without ablution. if you cut your finger for example and if it bleeds it would end ablution as well. that's how we know it

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No no, fasting is like the prayer, she shouldn't fast, not optional. she is exempted from fasting.
And no, bleeding from a wound like this doesn't nullify ablution.

Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and an Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:

"Bleeding from any of the natural orifices (anus, urethra or vagina) definitely breaks one's wudu' (ablution). This is the general consensus among the scholars.

Bleeding from a cut or wound, however, does not break one's wudu'. This is supported by strong evidence in the primary sources of Islam and is endorsed by the Salaf (the pious predecessors). It is common knowledge that the Companions used to pray while they were bleeding from their wounds. Caliph `Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) prayed while bleeding from stab wounds. The above rule also applies to blood taken for medical tests."
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503548402