American Muslim women protest gender apartheid at mosque.

[.lava]

Could this be the reason that most Muslim nations are so poor and backwards? That they pray more then actually working making their nation a better one? With all does prayers all the time, I cant see how you would be able to really build a society that would work very well... ?

no, that's not the reason. performing salaats can only give people peace and calmness. there's nothing wrong with that

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[Gabethewiking]

No no, fasting is like the prayer, she shouldn't fast, not optional. she is exempted from fasting.
And no, bleeding from a wound like this doesn't nullify ablution.

Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and an Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:

"Bleeding from any of the natural orifices (anus, urethra or vagina) definitely breaks one's wudu' (ablution). This is the general consensus among the scholars.

Bleeding from a cut or wound, however, does not break one's wudu'. This is supported by strong evidence in the primary sources of Islam and is endorsed by the Salaf (the pious predecessors). It is common knowledge that the Companions used to pray while they were bleeding from their wounds. Caliph `Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) prayed while bleeding from stab wounds. The above rule also applies to blood taken for medical tests."
Does Bleeding Break <i>Wudu'</i>? - IslamonLine.net - Ask The Scholar

And there is no explanation to Why?

 

[Sahar]

Could this be the reason that most Muslim nations are so poor and backwards? That they pray more then actually working making their nation a better one? With all does prayers all the time, I cant see how you would be able to really build a society that would work very well... ?

They were the most advanced nations for centuries too?!

 

[Sahar]

Gabethewiking, I perfectly replied to your questions and I am not going to repeat myself especially after showing your ignorance and dishonesty.

 

[Gabethewiking]

no, that's not the reason. performing salaats can only give people peace and calmness. there's nothing wrong with that

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No insult intended, but following the knowledge of the world.
Look at Malaysia, a muslim nation, its advanced, excellent infrastructure (years ahead of us in the U.S with basic mobile infrastructure) and so on, The people in Malaysia do Not follow the Muslim type of pray you described, actually, in most places such as KL, JB and Penang they are no more different from NewYorkers or Cockneys.

Indonesia, a much much larger nation but much poorer in infrastructure, education, technology and anything inbetween, are much more traditional, more prayer whatever it be Jakarta or Padang, and then we go to the Islands of Bali, completely run by Hindus, rich, good infrastrucute, good education and system, the complete opposite of the rest of more Traditional Indonesia.

It seems to me that these praying Traditions, whatever you find "inner peace" or not, causes a less good physical life, with less food, less access to good education and more violence and hatred.

This is just what I seen in the world, your opinion?

They were the most advanced nations for centuries too?!

And today they are backwards and poor. It may be likely that they did not do as much praying in the early life of their existence as today, perhaps agriculture and hard work was more important, maybe you have a view on that, and why they become the opposite of once?

 

[sonofskeptish]

American Muslim women protest gender apartheid at mosque.

Thoughts? Again, especially from Muslims?

Go girls... )(

 

[.lava]

No insult intended, but following the knowledge of the world.
Look at Malaysia, a muslim nation, its advanced, excellent infrastructure (years ahead of us in the U.S with basic mobile infrastructure) and so on, The people in Malaysia do Not follow the Muslim type of pray you described, actually, in most places such as KL, JB and Penang they are no more different from NewYorkers or Cockneys.

Indonesia, a much much larger nation but much poorer in infrastructure, education, technology and anything inbetween, are much more traditional, more prayer whatever it be Jakarta or Padang, and then we go to the Islands of Bali, completely run by Hindus, rich, good infrastrucute, good education and system, the complete opposite of the rest of more Traditional Indonesia.

It seems to me that these praying Traditions, whatever you find "inner peace" or not, causes a less good physical life, with less food, less access to good education and more violence and hatred.

This is just what I seen in the world, your opinion?

i'll say you are wrong. first of all, praying is not a tradition. it should not be. it is one of the basics of our religion. one should not perform salaats just because his father did or because public demands it. that's something one does to be close to God and to maintain innerpeace. these two are almost the same. closer to God, your inner peace continues with no breaks.

of course, that's not to say we have no problems. we have many problems and education is one of them. Imams play a great role. so if Imams were not educated well, then public who listen to them would not be educated either. if a Imam was hateful person, he might have bad effect on people. so, if we have problems, those problems are not rooted in Islam. people are the reasons. specially after world wars, Muslim nations fell badly. some colonized by Western nation for over 100 years. how do you expect them to be strong if they were treated 2nd class in their own nation? this is very off-topic, you know. and very long story as well

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[Sahar]

No insult intended, but following the knowledge of the world.
The people in Malaysia do Not follow the Muslim type of pray you described

Dude, Muslims around the world perform prayers. And I have Malaysian friends who are very religious.
This is the most ignorant statement I have ever read here. And this represents nothing but incredible ignorance about the world. Haven't you seen the beautiful mosques of Malaysia?

Muslims praying in Malaysian mosques:

At a mosque of a Malaysian university:

Do you know that Malaysia apply Islamic Shari'a in some aspects?

 

[Gabethewiking]

i'll say you are wrong. first of all, praying is not a tradition. it should not be. it is one of the basics of our religion. one should not perform salaats just because his father did or because public demands it. that's something one does to be close to God and to maintain innerpeace. these two are almost the same. closer to God, your inner peace continues with no breaks.

of course, that's not to say we have no problems. we have many problems and education is one of them. Imams play a great role. so if Imams were not educated well, then public who listen to them would not be educated either. if a Imam was hateful person, he might have bad effect on people. so, if we have problems, those problems are not rooted in Islam. people are the reasons. specially after world wars, Muslim nations fell badly. some colonized by Western nation for over 100 years. how do you expect them to be strong if they were treated 2nd class in their own nation? this is very off-topic, you know. and very long story as well

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Well your opinion is irrelevant to the facts of the world (regardiing your first line). I am just relaying the information from the world. Go visit Malaysia and then Indonesia, or perhaps Malaysia and then Iraq, Afghanistan and make a measure. I am just pointing out, the least "proper"/Traditional Muslims in this case live a better life.

How come this is?

The least traditional Muslims, working rather then praying, seem to end up in a better society then the ones that pray rather then work. I lived in both Malaysia and Indonesia, these are MUSLIM nations with MUSLIM people, the difference is the attitude, Malaysians are more open minded, flexible and un-traditional muslims, they pray but not in the same way and not the same amount of time, they work hard to improve their lives making a better nation.

Indonesia does it less, and Bali islands are a perfect example if you want to take regions, Padang versus Bali for example, Padang being more traditional whiles Bali is Hindu and with a very low Muslim population.

I am just asking you, do you not see a linkage here?

 

[Autodidact]

Autodidact, I've noticed you seem to have changed your tone with many of your threads about Islam, most noticably I'm talking about how before you made the "We declare gender equality a foundation of Islam" - or whatever - thread.

Have you changed your mind or are you more curious about how current day Muslim societies practice said religion?

Just curious

Well, I am learning, from here and elsewhere. I'm very interested in the relationship between Islam and feminism, because I think it's important to world peace. Since I don't know that much about Islam, I can learn from people who do know about it here.

OTOH I'm an atheist, and am happy to debate as well. Two different purposes, I would say.

 

[Sahar]

And today they are backwards and poor. It may be likely that they did not do as much praying in the early life of their existence as today, perhaps agriculture and hard work was more important

Wow wow wow?!! Agriculture? I am shocked.

 

[Gabethewiking]

Dude, Muslims around the world perform prayers. And I have Malaysian friends who are very religious.
This is the most ignorant statement I have ever read here. And this represents nothing but incredible ignorance about the world. Haven't you seen the beautiful mosques of Malaysia?

Muslims praying in Malaysian mosques:

At a mosque of a Malaysian university:

Do you know that Malaysia apply Islamic Shari'a in some aspects?

As I Lived There, of course I have. Have you visited Malaysia?

Once again, the culture is very different, Praying is less significant and if you go to KL or JB as examples, there is very little difference from Cockneys or NewYorkers, you got some people taking it seriously, whiles the large majority rather work hard then pray.

 

[Sahar]

As I Lived There, of course I have.

I should doubt this.

Once again, the culture is very different, Praying is less significant and if you go to KL or JB as examples, there is very little difference from Cockneys or NewYorkers, you got some people taking it seriously, whiles the large majority rather work hard then pray.

How does looking like Newyorkers have anything to do with performing the prayer? Don't you know that there are newyorker Muslims who pray? :areyoucra
So, the more I become a successful Muslim person, this should mean the less I pray?!!

:areyoucra

 

[Gabethewiking]

I should doubt this.

I do not know what you mean, KL has several "large" Mosques you can see whatever you are looking for them or not.

How does looking like Newyorkers have anything to do with performing the prayer? Don't you know that there are newyorker Muslims who pray? :areyoucra
So, the more I become a successful Muslim person, this should mean the less I pray?!!

The character of the person has to do with it. Being Liberal and understand historic tradition for what it is and so on, taking the real world serious rather then bowing on a mat and so on.

And Yes, we got Muslim New Yorkers, but fortunately they are not the ones controlling the City which would make it poor and backwards if they hold to traditions, that was my point.


Once again, Malaysians are more Liberal (less praying and less traditional) then their counterpart in Indonesia, Malaysia has during the years become rather wealthy and advanced. I see a link in this, do you not?

Have you visited Malaysia by the way?

 

[Sahar]

And no I haven't visited Malaysia. Yet, I have Malaysian friends who are veiled and keen on praying.

 

[.lava]

Well your opinion is irrelevant to the facts of the world (regardiing your first line). I am just relaying the information from the world. Go visit Malaysia and then Indonesia, or perhaps Malaysia and then Iraq, Afghanistan and make a measure. I am just pointing out, the least "proper"/Traditional Muslims in this case live a better life.

How come this is?

The least traditional Muslims, working rather then praying, seem to end up in a better society then the ones that pray rather then work. I lived in both Malaysia and Indonesia, these are MUSLIM nations with MUSLIM people, the difference is the attitude, Malaysians are more open minded, flexible and un-traditional muslims, they pray but not in the same way and not the same amount of time, they work hard to improve their lives making a better nation.

Indonesia does it less, and Bali islands are a perfect example if you want to take regions, Padang versus Bali for example, Padang being more traditional whiles Bali is Hindu and with a very low Muslim population.

I am just asking you, do you not see a linkage here?

it is not forbidden to work hard. therefor i don't understand how come you relate practice of religion with becoming rich and having a better life

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[Sahar]

The character of the person has to do with it. Being Liberal and understand historic tradition for what it is and so on, taking the real world serious rather then bowing on a mat and so on.

What about the successful Muslims who pray?!

 

[.lava]

And no I haven't visited Malaysia. Yet, I have Malaysian friends who are veiled and keen on praying.

of course and thank God for that, each Muslim nation holds valuable Muslims within.

btw, those are great mosques

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[Sahar]

I can't believe this!!!
I'll stop here. I can't handle this.

 

[Sahar]

of course and thank God for that, each Muslim nation holds valuable Muslims within.

btw, those are great mosques

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Yes