Alceste
Vagabond
I totally agree with that. A crime is a crime, regardless of your gender. If we are to criminalize anything using the rationale of harm reduction, it should be the purchasing of sex, not the selling of it.
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An example of why I am against prostitution
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I totally agree with that. A crime is a crime, regardless of your gender. If we are to criminalize anything using the rationale of harm reduction, it should be the purchasing of sex, not the selling of it.
Wherenextcolumbus
Well-Known Member
What people need to realise though is it isn't all equal. This is just a guess but not a crazy one. I would guess female prostitutes working with men face more danger and develop more psychological problems than male prostitutes working with females.
As for white women going to Jamaica to pay the men there to perform sexual acts on them .. I mean these women are privileged white women going to a poor country and exploiting the men there, these women probably get off on the power differentials and difference in status, which is why I suspect they are going to a poorer country in the first place. just like when white men go to Thailand and the Philippines. White women have these creepy racial fetishes too, and quite frankly it makes me sick when women try and be men.
Yeah, because bad behavior is inherently male in nature.
Radical feminism has an extremely screwed up view of men and women.
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Wherenextcolumbus
Well-Known Member
Yeah, because bad behavior is inherently male in nature.
......OK from everything you have read me post on this forum, you actually believe I think anything is inherently male in nature?
You implied it. It's kind of like saying someone is "acting black" or "acting white". A woman acting in such a manner isn't "trying to be a man", she's just being a *****.
Wherenextcolumbus
Well-Known Member
Nope, men have been socialised to be more sexually dominate and entitled so it's no surprise that they make up the majority of prostitute users. There are women who think because men can do it they should be able to do it too, and then they call it freedom for women, instead of actually wanting a better world.
All sex workers aren't being dominated by their customers. Sometimes it's the opposite. And of course women should be able to hire male workers. Women should have the right to do whatever they please with their sexuality, same as men. However, I'd like a better world, too - one where the concept of money has been eradicated and where there's free love and none of these bizarre taboos about sex that enchain us all.
You must live in a very different world. I wasn't socialized that way, nor were most guys I know. Culture varies with location & group, & to over-generalize one's own experience can lead one astray. I don't see men as just sexual predators & women as feckless victims.
You cannot dismiss other people's idea of freedom as to merely "call it freedom". But your idea of liberty seems far more restrictive & authoritarian than mine. To limit a voluntary practice between adults because they wouldn't do this in a perfect world is to chase an illusion. We don't have a perfect world, & to make the practice illegal doesn't even move us in that direction. You just end up fueling the criminal justice complex, putting a lot of men (& a few women) in prison. It reminds me of the gun-for-self-defense argument that in a perfect world no one would need them. We shouldn't make public policy based upon what the world is not.
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Wherenextcolumbus
Well-Known Member
whatever you say.
I didn't say anything about making any kind of policy. YOU asked ME if I agreed with the Swedish model, would that apply to women who used male prostitutes, remember? I was simply criticising the use of prostitution. Any policy made should consider the reality of prostitution and not just the freedom of people to use it.
True for all of us, eh.
I remember your answer, & had no argument with it. (I was just curious what you thought.)
But I was addressing a subsequent post of yours to St Frank.
I agree. And public policy drives the reality, which is why it comes up so often.
(I'm more mired down in reality than you might think. But we each view it differently.)
The current reality of criminalizing prostitution is one which I'd like to see improve.
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sandandfoam
Veteran Member
We know that prostitution, in the vast majority of cases, is very bad for the prostitutes. Furthermore we know that there is a massive link between prostitution and people trafficking.
Do you disagree with either of the above?
I don't disagree.
But I believe legalization would improve the situation.
Otherwise, we're left with the status quo.
sandandfoam
Veteran Member
Fair enough. I disagree.
That's OK.
Friendly disagreement is a great thing.
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
I think you do have a little bit of a misandrous attitude, just going by what I've read on the forum here. I wouldn't say outright man-hating but definitely sexist towards men. Again, I don't know you personally but from what I know from here that's tge feeling I get.
That's my feeling too.
dust1n
Zindīq
That's the claim. Where's the evidence?
freethinker44
Well-Known Member
It's common sense.
dust1n
Zindīq
Then finding empirical evidence that supports your claim should be particularly easy. Otherwise, I'd have to take an appeal to "common sense" seriously, which, is just not possible.
dust1n
Zindīq
I think if I could summarize my argument into two main points it would be as such.
1.) While it does appear that brothel type situations in legal countries have the advantage of providing some safety, it is correlated very strongly and obviously with the surge of sex trafficking and in large ways, increases immigration as low income people flock to the country.
2.) There's still a lack of evidence that "regulation" (and the majority of the countries being referenced is all past posts on my part do have "regulation" of all sorts) is decreasing violence, disease, coercion, etc. What sort of regulator is actually going to accomplish its goal? Who will oversee the nation wide brothel registry and "regulate" them?
1.) While it does appear that brothel type situations in legal countries have the advantage of providing some safety, it is correlated very strongly and obviously with the surge of sex trafficking and in large ways, increases immigration as low income people flock to the country.
2.) There's still a lack of evidence that "regulation" (and the majority of the countries being referenced is all past posts on my part do have "regulation" of all sorts) is decreasing violence, disease, coercion, etc. What sort of regulator is actually going to accomplish its goal? Who will oversee the nation wide brothel registry and "regulate" them?