An execution of wounded by Israeli soldier !

[FearGod]

Get off your high horse: if this was a muslim palestinian finishing off a wounded jewish israeli soldier you'd not only defend him, you would cheer him.

You're telling what's in your mind and not mine.

I don't treat people according to what's their religion but according to their behaviour and how human they're.

 

[FearGod]

Huh?

You're ignorant, read the history.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Huh?

Unless I'm mistaken, he wants a warlord to unite the Arab world and kick out the Western influence.

 

[Aquitaine]

You're telling what's in your mind and not mine.

I don't treat people according to what's their religion but according to their behaviour and how human they're.

For as long as I've known you on RF I have known this not to be the case, especially with Jews.

You're ignorant, read the history.

Wasn't Saladin a commander who repelled some of the Crusades? Forgive me for not knowing everything relating to arab history. . .

Unless I'm mistaken, he wants a warlord to unite the Arab world and kick out the Western influence.

Ahhh okay, I see.

 

[Kirran]

But could they reach all positions ?, I doubt about that.

There are Arab Supreme Court Justices, there are Arabs in the military right up to generals, there are Arabs in the Knesset, there are Arabs in business etc. What are you looking for exactly? There hasn't been an Arab Prime Minister yet, but even if there were no prejudice in the society whatsoever, this would be unlikely sheerly by force of statistics. Unlike in your own country of Algeria, Israel has no legal restriction on who can or cannot lead the country, as regards religion.

There is almost dailly killing or arresting or demolish home toward the Arabs in West Bank and Gaza .

Godobeyer, this is a sensitive topic with a substantial degree of nuance and complexity. You need to be more careful to avoid generalising. The Arabs you refer to in the West Bank and Gaza are the Palestinians, those who are not the citizens of Israel. We were talking about Arabs who are citizens of Israel. This is a different aspect.

As for the Arabs in Gaza: Israel does not occupy Gaza. It is run by Hamas. Israel withdrew from Gaza years ago. It is currently having a lot of problems thanks to 1) Hamas and 2) blockades and closed borders by Israel and Egypt.

In the West Bank: many non-Israeli Arabs there have lots of problems yes, there are many restrictions. But daily killing? Daily arresting? Daily home demolition? I think some evidence is required for that.

It's like when West hated the Nazis because of it's racist.

Are you comparing Jews to Nazis? Nazism is a political ideology. Jews are an ethnoreligious group.

For Yemens or Iraqis Jews and other countries , There is civil war so they decide to go out .
There is some in Moroco and Tunisia and Iran , I believe they in general live in equal with all rights and justice.

Well, their properties were destroyed, they had their rights revoked and were regularly being attacked and killed. As for those in Morocco, Tunisia and Iran, there are absolutely minute numbers remaining. They have issues in Iran, including the Islamic government appointing Muslims to run their Jewish religious schools, problems with bureaucratic and social discrimination and so forth. But it is not as bad as in some other areas of the Islamic world.

In Morocco, also, the small numbers of Jews who remain relative to the huge numbers who have already fled the country, don't have it as bad as in some other countries now. However, there were suicide bombings in 2003 in Casablanca which largely targeted the Jewish community.

Tunisian Jews have some problems also, although the government's been trying to help it seems.

Thats true , despite that I guess both goverments are made a secret peace !

Are we to assume every Arab country which opposes Israel but is not at war with it has made a secret peace?

The crimes of Israel made some hate toward the Jews (that's bad generalize).

exactly as what happening to Muslims in West, some idiots Muslims by their crimes cause big problem damage to all Muslims and Islam.

Hatefull and generalizing exist in each country.

'Exactly' like what's happening to Muslims in the West? No, certainly not.

Muslims in the West have no legal restrictions. There are Muslims in government, including in the Cabinet. There are Muslims running succesfull businesses (without them being destroyed), they can build mosques freely, Muslims are not regularly beaten or killed, the country is not actively expelling Muslims as Arab governments including Libya and Egypt did. There is no legal distinction in the West between a Muslim and non-Muslim.

There were pogroms against the Jews in the Arab world. There were mass riots which destroyed hundreds of Jewish homes. Jews had their citizenship taken away. Their properties were bombed.

Yes, one can to some degree understand the forces at play, but that justifies nothing.

 

[Godobeyer]

There are Arab Supreme Court Justices, there are Arabs in the military right up to generals, there are Arabs in the Knesset, there are Arabs in business etc. What are you looking for exactly? There hasn't been an Arab Prime Minister yet, but even if there were no prejudice in the society whatsoever, this would be unlikely sheerly by force of statistics. Unlike in your own country of Algeria, Israel has no legal restriction on who can or cannot lead the country, as regards religion.

The Arabs in the knesset said they are living in racist country .

Give me a Jew from Tunisia or Iran or Moroco said they suffered from racist.

Algeria don't have Jews.

Godobeyer, this is a sensitive topic with a substantial degree of nuance and complexity. You need to be more careful to avoid generalising. The Arabs you refer to in the West Bank and Gaza are the Palestinians, those who are not the citizens of Israel. We were talking about Arabs who are citizens of Israel. This is a different aspect.

I always heard in news that Israel kill Palestinians , almost daily .

As for the Arabs in Gaza: Israel does not occupy Gaza. It is run by Hamas. Israel withdrew from Gaza years ago. It is currently having a lot of problems thanks to 1) Hamas and 2) blockades and closed borders by Israel and Egypt.

In the West Bank: many non-Israeli Arabs there have lots of problems yes, there are many restrictions. But daily killing? Daily arresting? Daily home demolition? I think some evidence is required for that.

Just yesterday they demolition home of Arabs because one of them commit crime toward a Jews.

Yes Israel almost daily doing crimes toward Arabs .

Are you comparing Jews to Nazis? Nazism is a political ideology. Jews are an ethnoreligious group.

I told you how some people here thinking/feeling.
I know it's bad to generalizing.

Well, their properties were destroyed, they had their rights revoked and were regularly being attacked and killed. As for those in Morocco, Tunisia and Iran, there are absolutely minute numbers remaining. They have issues in Iran, including the Islamic government appointing Muslims to run their Jewish religious schools, problems with bureaucratic and social discrimination and so forth. But it is not as bad as in some other areas of the Islamic world.

In Morocco, also, the small numbers of Jews who remain relative to the huge numbers who have already fled the country, don't have it as bad as in some other countries now. However, there were suicide bombings in 2003 in Casablanca which largely targeted the Jewish community.

Tunisian Jews have some problems also, although the government's been trying to help it seems.

Yes there is some crimes done , it's suppose to be usual and normal since they are citizens , because even the Muslims are the victimes of terrorism .

Are we to assume every Arab country which opposes Israel but is not at war with it has made a secret peace?

No not all , for Saudi Arabia/Israel I believe it is.

'Exactly' like what's happening to Muslims in the West? No, certainly not.

Muslims in the West have no legal restrictions. There are Muslims in government, including in the Cabinet. There are Muslims running succesfull businesses (without them being destroyed), they can build mosques freely, Muslims are not regularly beaten or killed, the country is not actively expelling Muslims as Arab governments including Libya and Egypt did. There is no legal distinction in the West between a Muslim and non-Muslim.

Muslims in West are suffering from Islamophobia, and harasement , and sometimes being murder.

Trump is coming, this time is not for Jews , it's for Muslims !!

There were pogroms against the Jews in the Arab world. There were mass riots which destroyed hundreds of Jewish homes. Jews had their citizenship taken away. Their properties were bombed.
Yes, one can to some degree understand the forces at play, but that justifies nothing

In some cases , in other cases they are living now normal life , with equal right and justice .

]

 

[Kirran]

The Arabs in the knesset said they are living in racist country .

Give me a Jew from Tunisia or Iran or Moroco said they suffered from racist.

Algeria don't have Jews.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...b020b2-7e56-11e5-b575-d8dcfedb4ea1_story.html

http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/10/2...s-demonstrators-mock-executing-orthodox-jews/

Algeria doesn't have Jews - why do you think that is? It certainly used to. Important to note: the 1963 Algerian Nationality Code gave citizenship to Muslims only. So all Jews living in the country weren't counted as Algerians, legally, and so had no rights as citizens. Not surprising they were forced to leave. Also during the '60s, the government drew much heavier taxes from the Jews and seized all of the synagogues except one and converted them into mosques. Again, it is not surprising that the Jews felt they had to leave Algeria.

Of course there is racism in Israel. There is racism in every country.

I always heard in news that Israel kill Palestinians , almost daily .

Just yesterday they demolition home of Arabs because one of them commit crime toward a Jews.

Yes Israel almost daily doing crimes toward Arabs .

Some reliable sources would be good.

Yes there is some crimes done , it's suppose to be usual and normal since they are citizens , because even the Muslims are the victimes of terrorism .

That's not "some crimes", that's being driven out of the country.

No not all , for Saudi Arabia/Israel I believe it is.

So surely all other countries would be at war with Israel then?

Muslims in West are suffering from Islamophobia, and harasement , and sometimes being murder.

Trump is coming, this time is not for Jews , it's for Muslims !!

There's Islamophobia. There's harassment. But I know many Muslims here in the West, and I've studied the issues at play, and they are nowhere even near suffering pogroms, massacres etc as the Jews in the Arab world were. Otherwise they'd be fleeing the countries like the Jews did.

In some cases , in other cases they are living now normal life , with equal right and justice .

Now that the vast majority have fled. Some countries are better than others. But in all cases, their situation is certainly no better than that of Arab citizens of Israel.

The point is that a huge amount of the Jews now living in Israel are there because they or their parents were forced to flee the predominantly-Arab countries they lived in before, which has stirred up prejudice on both sides, rather inflaming the whole thing. If you're at risk of having your home destroyed, or being killed, and have various legal restrictions against you, all on account of being Jewish, then it seems rather likely you're going to want to flee that country to somewhere you can live safely, like Israel.

 

[Tumah]

You talking about "allow" permission ?

I am talking about building towns by Israel !!!

Israel built towns for Jews , but not for Arabs.

In that case, Israel doesn't build any towns. Almost all towns in Israel are built by Arabs.

Let's keep it in Palestinians ,I expected that you will say this

I don't see any reason to do so. You want to make the argument that Palestinians wouldn't blow themselves up if they were surrounded by Arabs. You have no proof. I say they would do so if they an also take down their targets. I bring as proof the actions of Arabs all over the Middle East who don't hesitate to kill other Arabs.

It's not fair that a town or single person represent millions of people.

That doesn't make any sense. I am bringing a model of life that Palestinians can choose to adopt but so far refuse to.

 

[Kirran]

Further: Godobeyer, if this is an area which concerns you, might I offer some advice? A good idea might be to write to your local representative asking them to push for Algeria to take more Palestinian refugees, and to pressure the Arab League member states in general to take more refugees if they are able (Syria, Iraq and Somalia are excused), including giving them citizenship rights and equality etc. Also, to pressure Egypt into stopping its blockade of the Gaza-Egyptian border.

 

[Godobeyer]

Further: Godobeyer, if this is an area which concerns you, might I offer some advice? A good idea might be to write to your local representative asking them to push for Algeria to take more Palestinian refugees, and to pressure the Arab League member states in general to take more refugees if they are able (Syria, Iraq and Somalia are excused), including giving them citizenship rights and equality etc. Also, to pressure Egypt into stopping its blockade of the Gaza-Egyptian border.

Algeria can't alone fix others problem, Arab League is just a loser.
UK and USA and UN are the principle responsible of Israel/Palestine problem.
Egypt had politic problem with Hamas , because Morsi

 

[Kirran]

Algeria can't alone fix others problem, Arab League is just a loser.
UK and USA and UN are the principle responsible of Israel/Palestine problem.
Egypt had politic problem with Hamas , because Morsi

No, it can't fix it alone. But it can do what it can. That's what we can all do.

EDIT: BTW, I posted a reply to your previous message above, in case you missed it because of my double-posting.

 

[Godobeyer]

n that case, Israel doesn't build any towns. Almost all towns in Israel are built by Arabs.

But Israel build towns to Jews !

I don't see any reason to do so. You want to make the argument that Palestinians wouldn't blow themselves up if they were surrounded by Arabs. You have no proof. I say they would do so if they an also take down their targets. I bring as proof the actions of Arabs all over the Middle East who don't hesitate to kill other Arabs.

Again , you are off my point !
I am talking about Palestinians in Palestine.

That doesn't make any sense. I am bringing a model of life that Palestinians can choose to adopt but so far refuse to.

There are Israeli Arabs suffering from Israeli racist and unjustice

 

[Tumah]

But Israel build towns to Jews !

You keep changing what this means.
Most construction workers are Arab. That means Israelis Jews are not building towns for Jews, its Arabs who are doing so. Israel is only giving permission for the towns to be built. This is true in both Jewish and Arab towns.

Again , you are off my point !
I am talking about Palestinians in Palestine.

Yes. I understand. Hamas rocket fire killed more Palestinians in 2014 than Israelis. Did they stop firing rockets because they were killing their own people? In case you're not sure, the answer is no, they did not.

There are Israeli Arabs suffering from Israeli racist and unjustice

Its part of being a minority that also has a history of trying to kill the majority. Thankfully though, they can still lead comfortable lives and travel virtually anywhere, in Israel. The same can't be said for Israelis in Palestinian land. So I guess in that respect, there are Israeli Jews suffering from Palestinians racist and unjustice as well.

 

[FearGod]

For as long as I've known you on RF I have known this not to be the case, especially with Jews.

Prove it with some of my sayings in some threads..

Wasn't Saladin a commander who repelled some of the Crusades? Forgive me for not knowing everything relating to arab history. . .[/QUOTE]

I don't care if you don't know about our history but better then for you to discuss something that you have some knowledge about.

 

[FearGod]

Further: Godobeyer, if this is an area which concerns you, might I offer some advice? A good idea might be to write to your local representative asking them to push for Algeria to take more Palestinian refugees, and to pressure the Arab League member states in general to take more refugees if they are able (Syria, Iraq and Somalia are excused), including giving them citizenship rights and equality etc. Also, to pressure Egypt into stopping its blockade of the Gaza-Egyptian border.

A very very stupid idea.

 

[Kirran]

A very very stupid idea.

Better to try to help people than do nothing, surely?

 

[Kirran]

I would like to provide some survey data from Kul Al-Arab.

In 2000, they did a survey of 1,000 Arab Israelis living in Umm Al-Fahm to see if they would prefer for their town to remain under Israeli rule, or to be transferred to an independent Palestinian state, which it would be right next to.

83% answered that they'd prefer to remain under Israeli jurisdiction.
11% answered that they'd prefer to be in a Palestinian state.
6% had no opinion.

Of those 83% who said they'd prefer to be under Israeli rule than Palestinian, 54% said their reason was that they preferred to live under a democratic regime with high living standards.

 

[Tumah]

Algeria can't alone fix others problem, Arab League is just a loser.
UK and USA and UN are the principle responsible of Israel/Palestine problem.
Egypt had politic problem with Hamas , because Morsi

Why do you feel the West is more responsible for the Palestinians than the Middle East?

 

[Godobeyer]

You keep changing what this means.
Most construction workers are Arab. That means Israelis Jews are not building towns for Jews, its Arabs who are doing so. Israel is only giving permission for the towns to be built. This is true in both Jewish and Arab towns.

They are just workers , I was talking about towns whom build by Israel to/for Jews !!!

Yes. I understand. Hamas rocket fire killed more Palestinians in 2014 than Israelis. Did they stop firing rockets because they were killing their own people? In case you're not sure, the answer is no, they did not.

That was a war, Hamas fired rockets , and Israel which killed Palestinians.

Its part of being a minority that also has a history of trying to kill the majority. Thankfully though, they can still lead comfortable lives and travel virtually anywhere, in Israel. The same can't be said for Israelis in Palestinian land. So I guess in that respect, there are Israeli Jews suffering from Palestinians racist and unjustice as well.

Some of them are facing racist and unjustice from Israeli goverment.

listen to them :

 

[Godobeyer]

Why do you feel the West is more responsible for the Palestinians than the Middle East?

Because West who plante Israel in heart of Arab world ,and being silence of it's crimes.