Animal sacrifice: out of fashion

[dybmh]

Do you think farmers don't ever have to slaughter their own animals? What about butchers?
In my opinion

The priests were butchers with exceptionally high standards. But they didn't get paid and had no choice of profession.

A butcher and farmer can remove the entrails and dispose of them. The priest must wash them out. The butcher and farmer can ignore their contents, the priest must deal with them.

Sometimes a farmer slaughters their animals, but they don't have to. A butcher chooses to be a butcher.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

What evidence?, you want a photo or video of an un-stunned, fully awake sheep having it's throat cut and bleeding to death while ritual prayer is offered to Allah? Like i said google has plenty of evidence, dont be so lazy.

Since you are making a claim, the onus is on you to provide the evidence. Don't be so lazy.

 

[ChristineM]

Since you are making a claim, the onus is on you to provide the evidence. Don't be so lazy.

I explained to the person who made the request why i would not. And have provided a very simple way the information can be found so ... Try Google or Qur'an 2: 173

 

[Altfish]

Religious animal sacrifice seems to be out of practice, at least in my part of the world.

If you read the Old Testament, numerous characters partake in copious amounts of animal scarifice, such as David and Solomon. I was also reading that animal sacrifice use to be a pagan practice as well.

So, first off, with the Jews, they simply don't sacrifice amymore because there is a mosque in place of where they think their temple for sacrificing should be, right? But, if they had their proper temple, they would resume animal sacrifice. Do I have that right?

What about Pagans? Pagan practice was interrupted for centuries so we aren't really sure the exact mechanics of old school paganism. But they use to sacrifice animals, at least according to my book. My book was saying "We DON'T sacrifice animals nowadays!" And it got me thinking... Why?

I would never want to sacrifice animals. Hell, I eventually want to be vegan or vegetarian so I can live a life where I'm not partaking in animal murder.

Perhaps society has evolved more? There are arguments for this. Slavery is a thing of the past and stuff like that. Society would no longer accept mass animal sacrifice to an imagined deity probably. I don't know for sure.

Are humans in a position to dictate what practices are acceptable? Let's say a god wants animal sacrifice, are we in a position to say no? I think so.

Some religions used to sacrifice humans, so progress all round since ancient times, now we just need to realise that gods need no sacrifices, offerings or words.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I explained to the person who made the request why i would not. And have provided a very simple way the information can be found so ... Try Google or Qur'an 2: 173

Again, if you are the person making the claim, the onus is on you to provide the evidence. It is very very poor debate etiquette for you to ask your interlocutor to do YOUR research. And, again referring to etiquette, when you cite a reference from a book, you should be providing the quote, not expecting the other person to look up your verse.

 

[ChristineM]

Again, if you are the person making the claim, the onus is on you to provide the evidence. It is very very poor debate etiquette for you to ask your interlocutor to do YOUR research. And, again referring to etiquette, when you cite a reference from a book, you should be providing the quote, not expecting the other person to look up your verse.

I provided evidence in citing Qur'an 2: 173. You dont like it then tough. I am not going into the nitty gritty or slitting a conscious animals throat and praying yo allah while it bleeds to death.

 

[dybmh]

I provided evidence in citing Qur'an 2: 173. You dont like it then tough. I am not going into the nitty gritty or slitting a conscious animals throat and praying yo allah while it bleeds to death.

Assuming the blade is very sharp and of the proper length. If the neck is slit, severing the coratid arteries in one rapid continuous motion, while the animal is in the prone position, how long does it take for the animal to be considered brain dead?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I provided evidence in citing Qur'an 2: 173. You dont like it then tough. I am not going into the nitty gritty or slitting a conscious animals throat and praying yo allah while it bleeds to death.

I followed the arrows all the way back to post number 5. I couldnt find any quotation of Quran 2:173. Indeed, I couldn't even find a citation of Quran 2:173. It;s possible that you cited in a different thread. My question is, did you only cite, or did you also quote? Because if you didn't quote, and expected the other person to look up your quote, THAT is poor etiquette.

 

[ChristineM]

Assuming the blade is very sharp and of the proper length. If the neck is slit, severing the coratid arteries in one rapid continuous motion, while the animal is in the prone position, how long does it take for the animal to be considered brain dead?

Assuming, sharp, clean tools are not always used.

However with a sharp knife and a clean cut up to 15 seconds.

 

[ChristineM]

I followed the arrows all the way back to post number 5. I couldnt find any quotation of Quran 2:173. Indeed, I couldn't even find a citation of Quran 2:173. It;s possible that you cited in a different thread. My question is, did you only cite, or did you also quote? Because if you didn't quote, and expected the other person to look up your quote, THAT is poor etiquette.

Sheesh, I didn't quote the Qur'an i said the instructions are in the Qur'an. I cited the verdr number to you.

Now i am done with this barbaric bit of religion

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Sheesh, I didn't quote the Qur'an i said the instructions are in the Qur'an. I cited the verdr number to you.

Now i am done with this barbaric bit of religion

This will be my last post to you. The only reason I got involved in the first place was because you called your interlocutor "lazy" for not googling stuff on his own. My point here is simply that it is YOU that breached etiquette. The person making the claim has the responsibility to supply the evidence -- you don't tell the other person to go google it. And if you site a document, you don't just give the citation -- you have to actually copy and paste the quote of what you want them to read. So, my dear, it is you that is lazy. Nuff said.

 

[ChristineM]

This will be my last post to you. The only reason I got involved in the first place was because you called your interlocutor "lazy" for not googling stuff on his own. My point here is simply that it is YOU that breached etiquette. The person making the claim has the responsibility to supply the evidence -- you don't tell the other person to go google it. And if you site a document, you don't just give the citation -- you have to actually copy and paste the quote of what you want them to read. So, my dear, it is you that is lazy. Nuff said.

If you read all post you will know that early on in the conversation i said i would not be providing details hence the reason i suggested Google. Sorry bud your rules dont mean squat. Goodbye

 

[IndigoChild5559]

If you read all post you will know that early on in the conversation i said i would not be providing details hence the reason i suggested Google. Sorry bud your rules dont mean squat. Goodbye

You did more than that. You called him lazy. Classic projection.

 

[ChristineM]

You did more than that. You called him lazy. Classic projection.

Remember

This will be my last post to you.

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[YoursTrue]

What evidence?, you want a photo or video of an un-stunned, fully awake sheep having it's throat cut and bleeding to death while ritual prayer is offered to Allah? Like i said google has plenty of evidence, dont be so lazy.

No. Not at all. How about a line or two from the koran as to why and the procedure.

 

[YoursTrue]

Not sure what you were reading, but my understanding is that God objected to three things they were doing: violence, idolatry, and neglecting the poor.

Therefore He wouldn't enjoy their company. He was warning them through the prophet. But He did forgive them many times.

 

[YoursTrue]

You did more than that. You called him lazy. Classic projection.

People make statements without backup then tell you to do the research.

 

[YoursTrue]

Not sure what you were reading, but my understanding is that God objected to three things they were doing: violence, idolatry, and neglecting the poor.

The surrounding verses in that chapter of Hosea. Now I'm reading about Ahaziah in 2 Chronicles 22. Very, very interesting. There were two kings named Ahaziah, one was of the northern kingdom, the other was of Judah. Sooo fascinating and wonderful to comprehend and digest. Nice talking with you.

 

[YoursTrue]

Sheesh, I didn't quote the Qur'an i said the instructions are in the Qur'an. I cited the verdr number to you.

Now i am done with this barbaric bit of religion

I really didn't ask HOW they sacrificed animals, although I have spoken to religious representatives from two different styles. (religious) And for the most part, they are careful to not subject the animals to cruelty or pain. Since I don't read all the posts unfortunately, did you say if you eat animal products? I ask for a reason, not necessarily religious.

 

[YoursTrue]

Sheesh, I didn't quote the Qur'an i said the instructions are in the Qur'an. I cited the verdr number to you.

Now i am done with this barbaric bit of religion

Let me put it this way to you -- many people kill each other. Could be a form of patriotism. "Duty to one's country," right? How do you feel about that, since you're so concerned that killing animals is barbaric? I'll just say this -- I lived near slaughterhouses for a while, that part of the country. The things I heard and read about them weren't the greatest. Then again, the bones of those humans killed by other humans in war is not the greatest either.