Another Baptist minister bites the dust- gets caught

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You're in the top 1% of people with the most screwed up theology I've come across.

Dude! I have zero theology! Unlike you? I read the bible as it's written. I do not pretend it's something good.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I am aware of (Is. 45:7). And God does create evil in the world of man for various reasons. Sometimes judgement, sometimes for testing. (Amos 3:6) (Job 42:11) God uses the evil, but He is not evil..

Oxymoron: to USE evil is to BECOME evil. Its like a True False test-- if any part of the question is false? The whole question is False.

Same for your evil godling.

Evil as a source comes from the angelic being satan. .

And? Who created Satan? Who ALLOWED Satan to run amok? Who FORESAW the evil that Satan would become, but created it anyway?

YOUR GOD IS EVIL.

Yes, God laid out the conditions for slavery. I have no problem with it. Slavery is but the natural condition of man.

As I said: You are, without a doubt, an evil, racist slave-owner-wannabe. Despicable.

But ... so very, very Christian.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

If you want to discuss what the Confederate flag represents, go to the "Nikki Haley" thread. I have several posts there that explain it and will gladly discuss it with you there.

Because you refuse to go there indicates as I said, you can't cover your ***. You spout many things, yet offer nothing.

I don't care if you're a person of color or not.

Good-Ole-Rebel

RUN AWAAAAAYYYYY.... but you admit you WISH you could own a slave of one of the "lessor" races--

As racist as your pro-slavery banner. Despicable.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

And I am saying that this is bad business. This is a terrible way to run things. Just terrible. If you are looking to bring up into adulthood/responsibility or reform someone, you don't just SAY NOTHING, SPANK THEM, AND THEN WALK AWAY.

Is that how you raise/raised/would-raise your own kids? If not, then why not? It's good enough for God apparently, right? I thought everything God did was "perfect?" No? It's dumb? Yep. That's what I thought too.

God is not just raising kids. He is God. Yes, what He does is good and just. Not 'perfect' to your standards. Perfect to His.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

I removed Jehovah from the picture. That is a crucial point to clarify.

Because its so much easier and assuring fo just dismiss someone as not having really been a Christian that accept true believers do sometimes turn apostate.

I see. And so your statement that you decided not to believe in Jehovah means you reject God and Christ of the Bible. In other words, do you hold to their existence and reject them, or do you no longer believe they exist? I am curious as you said you 'decided not to believe', and I had a question of how does one do that?

Well, I do get much assurance concerning God's, (the God of the Bible), preservation of the saints. But I don't dismiss it lightly when one says they were but now are not. And, I am not saying you were or were not a believer. I am saying that my understanding of Scripture leads me to believe that one cannot lose their salvation. Which runs contrary to what you are saying.

Faith in Christ is how one becomes a Christian. We believe. I can no more decide 'to believe' then I can 'to love'. When I rebel against God, I still don't cease to believe. It is not a switch I can turn off and on.

This is the conflict I have with your, and others like you, statement.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Oxymoron: to USE evil is to BECOME evil. Its like a True False test-- if any part of the question is false? The whole question is False.

Same for your evil godling.



And? Who created Satan? Who ALLOWED Satan to run amok? Who FORESAW the evil that Satan would become, but created it anyway?

YOUR GOD IS EVIL.


As I said: You are, without a doubt, an evil, racist slave-owner-wannabe. Despicable.

But ... so very, very Christian.

Sorry, but God does it all the time.

God created Lucifer, the highest angel. Yes. Did God know who Lucifer would become. Of course. He is God. Why would He create Lucifer then? Because it was necessary to have evil located and personified in a being to demonstrate through all His work in creation, and before all His work in creation, the evil that exists, and it's opposition to all that God is.

Well, yes, it is very Christian. (1 Cor. 6:20) When we became Christian, we didn't become independent. We were under the slavery of a master, but were then bought and paid for by another.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

God is not just raising kids. He is God. Yes, what He does is good and just. Not 'perfect' to your standards. Perfect to His.

And if He exists, He gave me full capability to not give a rat's patoot about His standards. So that's where I am at. If He doesn't like it, He can come talk to me. Barring that, I'm not going to listen to you about supernatural sources for morality or "creation" or any of that nonsense until you have the goods to back yourself up. Good luck finding them. I have a feeling you're sorely going to need it.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

God is not just raising kids. He is God. Yes, what He does is good and just. .

If by "just" you mean "immoral" sure! Playing Special Favorites is Immoral. Letting known Predators have Full Access to your children is Immoral.

If by "good" you mean "evil" then absolutely!

One of the IMMMORAL bible concepts: KILL YOUR BACK-TALKING KIDS.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 ESV
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Not 'perfect' to your standards. Perfect to His. .

"His" are immoral: Might DOES NOT make Right

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Sorry, but God does it all the time.
.

Might DOES NOT MAKE RIGHT.

your god? Pure Evil. In every way it's possible to BE evil.

Here? We see your god commanding the DEATH of unruly children!

Exodus 21:15 ESV
“Whoever strikes his father or his mother shall be put to death.

Matthew 15:4 ESV
For God commanded, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’

 

[Spartan]

You got this wrong-- your bible specifically describes god as having creating evil.

Me? I think your god is 100% myth, as is your bible. But your bible is quite clear about it's god being the sole source of evil in the world...

Moreover? It's immoral to use a Scape Goat anyway... an evil concept.

Even worse: The whole concept of infinite torture? Is 100% pure evil-- nothing a mortal human can do is worthy of infinite suffering. Nothing. Therefore? Bible's god is evil.

You need a lot of help with your Biblical theology if that's what you think.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 ESV
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them... he is a glutton and a drunkard.’.

I like how they go from "stubborn" and "rebellious" as the initial description of the problem they have with their son, directly to "he is a glutton and a drunkard" as part of the accusation against him. My best guess is that this text was either written quickly and haphazardly, or the people who wrote it were imbeciles. There are other reasons one might write something so stupidly, I suppose, but those are my best two guesses.

"If you're having trouble with your son obeying you, take him to the village elders and accuse him of being a glutton and a drunkard so that he can be stoned to death. Hyuk hyuk!"

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

You need a lot of help with your Biblical theology if that's what you think.

No one needs help with Biblical theology. No one needs to understand it. No one needs to take heed of anything it is saying. I guess what I am trying to say is that there is NO WAY a claim that The Bible is "necessary" holds water. It isn't. Nor is Christianity. It may feel that way to some people... but they have nothing to back up that feeling. Nothing but the words of other people who are also seem desperate to feel that way - whatever their reasons, I am of the opinion they cannot be good ones.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Faith in Christ is how one becomes a Christian. We believe. I can no more decide 'to believe' then I can 'to love'.

That is what I used to believe. But I no longer do. Much like how many children believe in Santa Clause but eventually stop believing in him.

This is the conflict I have with your, and others like you, statement.

Only because you create the conflict. It's really not there. I once believed, accepted Christ, and lived for him. Now I don't. It really is just as simple as that.

 

[Revoltingest]

That is what I used to believe. But I no longer do. Much like how many children believe in Santa Clause Claus but eventually stop believing in him.

Only because you create the conflict. It's really not there. I once believed, accepted Christ, and lived for him. Now I don't. It really is just as simple as that.

Fixed.

 

[sojourner]

What kind of regulation is there for Pastors?
Government regulation is not allowed.

Many responsible denominations require criminal background checks for ordination candidates. Further, they require letters of reference from the candidate’s pastor and parish, a comprehensive discernment process undertaken by the candidate, the candidate’s home parish, and an appointed committee of the larger judicatory. Further, the denominational commission on ministry requires both psychological testing and sessions with an appointed psychiatrist in order to determine mental and emotional fitness. Denominational leaders must also meet with and recommend a candidate. There is also usually (in addition to the home parish) a “recommending parish” that works with the candidate throughout her or his candidacy. Some denominations require ordination exams too.

This is quite a phalanx of hoop-jumping, discernment and examination for a candidate to make it to ordination. It’s not perfect; obviously some bad apples get through. But remember that clergy are human beings just like everyone else, and susceptible to temptation just like everyone else.

Once one is ordained, there are usually compulsory annual training events and mandatory continuing education, such as sexual boundaries training. Additionally, most denominations have established clergy codes of ethics. I had to sign a copy during my ordination service. Any breach of the code of ethics is grounds for denominational disciplinary action, including possible secular prosecution and possible revocation of ministerial standing. The ensuing reports follow the transgressor in perpetuity.

There’s a lot of regulation in mainstream denominations. I have no idea about independent congregations or smaller Baptist conglomerates.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

And if He exists, He gave me full capability to not give a rat's patoot about His standards. So that's where I am at. If He doesn't like it, He can come talk to me. Barring that, I'm not going to listen to you about supernatural sources for morality or "creation" or any of that nonsense until you have the goods to back yourself up. Good luck finding them. I have a feeling you're sorely going to need it.

Yes He did.

I didn't say you had to listen to me. If you don't want to know, don't ask.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Might DOES NOT MAKE RIGHT.

your god? Pure Evil. In every way it's possible to BE evil.

Here? We see your god commanding the DEATH of unruly children!

Exodus 21:15 ESV
“Whoever strikes his father or his mother shall be put to death.

Matthew 15:4 ESV
For God commanded, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’

God's justness or being right as you call it is not defined by His might. His might simply operates within His just and righteous nature. What God does is right. No matter what He does.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yes, allow them to actually have premarital, and marital sex. Boom, problem solved, because you have a lot less sexually repressed people running the show, with a large amount of manipulative power. Now, this doesn't solve kiddie porn, or child molestation as a whole, but I would think this is a fairly effective way to help combat the issue.

Being abstinent or celibate doesn't make you attracted to children.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

That is what I used to believe. But I no longer do. Much like how many children believe in Santa Clause but eventually stop believing in him.

Only because you create the conflict. It's really not there. I once believed, accepted Christ, and lived for him. Now I don't. It really is just as simple as that.

No, I have not created the conflict. It would be easy for me if the Scriptures supported what you are saying. It would be easy to say, ok, you were born-again, but then you decided to no longer believe which means you are not a believer. But I don't find it in Scripture.

I realize you don't care if it is in Scripture or not, but I do. Again, I am not trying to make you Christian if you're not. But what you and others are claiming doesn't fit with my understanding of Scripture. I hear it regularly. "I am an ex-Christian". They even have forums for such. As I said, I don't see it.

I mean even by your own statement that you no longer believe, means none of it is true so you can't be 'ex'. Correct?

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[The Hammer]

Being abstinent or celibate doesn't make you attracted to children.

For most of the people doing it, I don't think it is about sexual attraction, and more about power and control. I may be wrong, but that has been my experience. And in my experience suppressing appetites does not lead to a healthier person overall (celibacy for instance), it's more the straw that breaks the camel's back, mentally, as opposed to pure causation. There is no one to one cause of abuse/abusers.

Edit: Except maybe being abused yourself, as most abusers were also victims at one point.