Another Baptist minister bites the dust- gets caught

[Spartan]

God is the *source* of all evil-- having created it in the first place...

ooops!

ooops yourself. Another word for evil in that scripture is 'calamity' (Strong's Concordance). Evil is a contrast to good. But if someone of their own free will decides to do evil, then evil will be visited upon him. And even then many people will repent and return to the Lord, so evil isn't always a bad thing.

The Canaanites did evil, and the Lord visited evil upon them.

That's what the creation of evil was meant for, but not to do evil for evil's sake. So please update your theology on that.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Doesn't excuse the fact that anything God does, it is all done in secret... giving those who are failing no useful feedback as to what they are doing wrong. Unless God is supposedly acting through all of the rest of us - but then, what about "free will?" Wouldn't that be co-opted when God decided to use one or another of us as a tool for punishing a transgressor? And, as a transgressor, how could we tell the difference between our fellow man exacting some punishment or vengeance upon us, and it being "the will of God" that such is happening?

You see, all these confusing questions with no good answers GO AWAY the moment you no longer believe in God. It all becomes so clear and simple. That's where I am at. None of this weird, "God works in mysterious ways" noise you have going on. And I don't need it. I don't need a bunch of useless complications to my outlook. Complications that have no detectable basis in reality. It is just all so STRANGE.

I just told you it is not all done in secret. We have the revelation from God in the Bible. He shows what He is doing from beginning to end.

The moment you don't believe is where your confusion begins.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

WHEN? According that bible you never read? God is the *source* of all evil-- having created it in the first place...

ooops!

Where does the Bible say God is the source of all evil?

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

No. You've been called out-- and shown to be disingenuous-- yet you persist in your display of a Racist Banner.

Scared? no. Bored and not a little disgusted? Absolutely.

You can lead a Racist to Empathy, but you cannot make them actually Feel Empathy.

No, your scared. I understand. I see it all the time.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Nope. You screaming "Nunn Uhh" isn't showing anyone anything.


Liar. Typical Racist.

It shows your ignorance of the Bible.

And you want to mouth off about the Confederate flag and don't want to discuss it in the proper thread. Shows not only ignorance but fear.

That's what happens when you let your mouth write a check your *** can't cover.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

You've already said that you believe in salvation by grace, so that's not true according to your own beliefs.


If God is just, then God cannot be merciful. The two concepts are contradictory.


Obviously not. The God you're describing is an idiotic bundle of contradictions.

More likely you've been taken in by his opposite. Seems like his modus operandi.


It means every bit as much as your judgement of God as anything. I am as free to call God an immoral idiot than you are to call them neither moral nor immoral and just.

The difference is that my ideas of God are consistent and based on logic. Yours are contradictory, nonsensical and based on interpretation of doctrine.


Then he cannot be merciful, and salvation through grace is a false doctrine.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too. You cannot have a God who is just - punishing people where appropriate - and is simultaneously merciful - suspending punishment even when appropriate.

Is your God inconstant?


So nothing wrong with children being molested, then?

Yes, it is true according to my beliefs, which are based on the Bible.

Your opinions are based on you. Mine are based on the Bible the Word of God. You're free to call God anything you want. Means nothing. What is it based on? You, and your unbelief.

God is not defined or known by human logic which is flawed. Sorry.

No, you know nothing of God. Due to the cross, mercy and justness meet.

Plenty of wrong in children being molested. Plenty of wrong everywhere in the world. Don't worry. He is fixing it. But, you won't like it when He does.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Spartan]

Where does the Bible say God is the source of all evil?

Good-Ole-Rebel

Isaiah 45:7 - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

Another word for evil in that scripture is 'calamity' (Strong's Concordance). Evil is a contrast to good. But if someone of their own free will decides to do evil, then evil will be visited upon him. Sow evil, reap evil. It's part of the law of sowing and reaping.

And even then many people will repent and return to the Lord after calamity has humbled them, so evil / calamity isn't always a bad thing. The Book of Judges has many examples of that with the cycle of sin - judgment - repentance - return to the Lord.

The Canaanites did evil, and the Lord visited evil upon them.

That's what the creation of evil was meant for, but not to do evil for evil's sake.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The moment you don't believe is where your confusion begins.

Funny, then, because when I decided to not believe in Jehovah anymore its when confusion cleared up. When I took myself from the hand of Christ and removed myself from his flock, I found a clarity that I never would have found otherwise.

 

[Riders]

Isaiah 45:7 - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

Another word for evil in that scripture is 'calamity' (Strong's Concordance). Evil is a contrast to good. But if someone of their own free will decides to do evil, then evil will be visited upon him. Sow evil, reap evil. It's part of the law of sowing and reaping.

And even then many people will repent and return to the Lord after calamity has humbled them, so evil / calamity isn't always a bad thing. The Book of Judges has many examples of that with the cycle of sin - judgment - repentance - return to the Lord.

The Canaanites did evil, and the Lord visited evil upon them.

That's what the creation of evil was meant for, but not to do evil for evil's sake.

God created Satan, Satan was an angel.........

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Satan was an angel and he did evil, along with 1/3 of the angels in heaven who followed him..

So? It proves my point: 2/3s of the Angels did not show Intelligence and rebel against a Monster who has to use TORTURE to get and keep followers...

False. There's liberals and others today who don't know it's wrong to butcher the innocent unborn.

Irony: you worship a god who allows CANCER IN INNOCENT CHILDREN-- and you have the gall to complain about legal, and MORAL abortions...!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

ooops yourself. Another word for evil in that scripture is 'calamity' (Strong's Concordance). Evil is a contrast to good. But if someone of their own free will decides to do evil, then evil will be visited upon him. And even then many people will repent and return to the Lord, so evil isn't always a bad thing..

Bible for your dubious and non-biblical claims, above.... no?

Gotcha: make it up as you go along.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Where does the Bible say God is the source of all evil?

Good-Ole-Rebel

Isaiah 45:7.... the above is 100% proof YOU NEVER ACTUALLY READ YOUR OWN BOOK.

Ironic, really: The bible is A-OKAY WITH SLAVERY: Exodus 21-- which ought to bring warm feelings to you, considering your pro-slavery banner...

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

No, your scared. I understand. I see it all the time.
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My scared... what?

OH! You **meant** to write "you are".... but your extremely poor grammar skills...

But I have no doubt you do see fear all the time, considering your pro-slave banner-- which too often indicates someone quite willing to murder people of color, Just Because..

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

It shows your ignorance of the Bible.

And you want to mouth off about the Confederate flag and don't want to discuss it in the proper thread. Shows not only ignorance but fear.

That's what happens when you let your mouth write a check your *** can't cover.

Good-Ole-Rebel

I not only blew you away before, and just now as well? I do not fear your RACISM one bit.

For I'm not a target of your seething HATE-- I'm not a Person Of Color, you see...

The bible is not only pro-slavery? Exodus 21. It is also pro-Racism too: God's Chosen People is racist.

 

[Spartan]

Bible for your dubious and non-biblical claims, above.... no?

Gotcha: make it up as you go along.

What are you talking about? I actually have a formal education in Biblical Theology.

Why do you think God created evil?

 

[Spartan]

So? It proves my point: 2/3s of the Angels did not show Intelligence and rebel against a Monster who has to use TORTURE to get and keep followers...

Irony: you worship a god who allows CANCER IN INNOCENT CHILDREN-- and you have the gall to complain about legal, and MORAL abortions...!

You're in the top 1% of people with the most screwed up theology I've come across.

 

[Spartan]

God created Satan, Satan was an angel.........

Very good. You're making progress.

p.s. God created Satan (Lucifer) with free will. Lucifer chose to be evil.

 

[Spartan]

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Funny, then, because when I decided to not believe in Jehovah anymore its when confusion cleared up. When I took myself from the hand of Christ and removed myself from his flock, I found a clarity that I never would have found otherwise.

Yeah, and the reason you feel better is because your conscience is, for all intents and purposes, dead, so you're not convicted of your sins anymore.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

your conscience is, for all intents and purposes, dead

Is that why real violence upsets me? Is that why the suffering of others bothers me?

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Isaiah 45:7 - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

Another word for evil in that scripture is 'calamity' (Strong's Concordance). Evil is a contrast to good. But if someone of their own free will decides to do evil, then evil will be visited upon him. Sow evil, reap evil. It's part of the law of sowing and reaping.

And even then many people will repent and return to the Lord after calamity has humbled them, so evil / calamity isn't always a bad thing. The Book of Judges has many examples of that with the cycle of sin - judgment - repentance - return to the Lord.

The Canaanites did evil, and the Lord visited evil upon them.

That's what the creation of evil was meant for, but not to do evil for evil's sake.

Yes, I agree. (Amos 3:6) and (Job 42:11) are good examples of it.

Good-Ole-Rebel