Another Trans attempts attack on schools

[Curious George]

So nothing about gun control laws at all?

Correct.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Rightttttt....

No, this is not an agreement. There is no right. Just your head in the sand over tye reality of guns.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No, this is not an agreement. There is no right. Just your head in the sand over tye reality of guns.

Nothing escapes you Shadow. Keep chugging down that single track.

 

[Soandso]

Nope. Just using the same stupid logic used for guns.

Trans people are killing now, so it must be the Trans treatments, so requiring licensing and background checks are the solution to stop trans people from killing.

Stupid logic dosent work does it?

To be fair, this is a false equivalency. One is a weapon and one is a person. A true comparison would be a weapon with a weapon - like comparing how much destruction could be done between a kitchen knife and an assault rifle

If you wanted to bring trans people into it, we could compare mass shootings between trans and non trans people

 

[Father Heathen]

You'd place faith in thugs in blue who handcuff children,
or hide outside while a perp is inside the school still shooting?

Nope.

Your "lunch lady" could be vetted & trained to defend the school
& occupants. She already works there for pay, she's already on site
if there's trouble, she's not trained to see all civilians as a threat,
she's not inculcated to believe she's better than civilians, she's
emotionally connected to the students, & she isn't trained to
have an itchy trigger finger.

Oh.

BTW, have something against either ladies or cafeteria workers?

Nope.

 

[ChristineM]

Maybe, just maybe if the relevant parts of America changed their attitude to difference and accepted it rather than marginalising it this wouldn't be such a problem

 

[Twilight Hue]

To be fair, this is a false equivalency. One is a weapon and one is a person. A true comparison would be a weapon with a weapon - like comparing how much destruction could be done between a kitchen knife and an assault rifle

If you wanted to bring trans people into it, we could compare mass shootings between trans and non trans people

I'm just looking at the unpredictable effects of acquiring hormone therapy. Dangerous as a gun. Drives people homicidal-y wild!

Understand, it's soley tongue in cheek to creatively demonstrate how regulation isn't an answer to a problem.

 

[Soandso]

I'm just looking at the unpredictable effects of acquiring hormone therapy. Dangerous as a gun. Drives people wild!

Understand it's soley tongue in cheek to creatively demonstrate how regulation isn't an answer to a problem.

Eh... maybe, but using false equivalencies will make people dismiss your points since they will just take it as a weak argument, even if it is done satirically

 

[Curious George]

He did say it was "just the start".
I'll add secure storage laws, red flag laws, & improve
regulation of how one grants others access to one's guns..

I don’t know that I would oppose or support such laws and regulations. I think that individual regulation on firearms need to be reviewed and scrutinized.

I an agree that individual states should be encouraged to enact laws that address accidents such as creating safe storage laws, but these should be narrow in scope to address specific concerns. In other words, I don’t think 74 year old Jane, who doesn’t have kids in her home should be cited or charged because she didn’t keep her firearm, disassembled, and in one safe with a trigger lock, her ammunition in another safe. I think that we need to be focused in our intent and keep any actual regulations very narrow in scope.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Eh... maybe, but using false equivalencies will make people dismiss your points since they will just take it as a weak argument, even if it is done satirically

Most will get it. Some won't.

 

[Soandso]

Maybe, just maybe if the relevant parts of America changed their attitude to difference and accepted it rather than marginalising it this wouldn't be such a problem

You know, I'd like to think of myself as a glass half full kind of person, but your optimism puts mine to shame!

 

[Father Heathen]

Colonial days the best you can get is a muzzle loader. You really can't go on a shooting spree with something that requires a lengthy reload after one shot.

Perhaps that would be a reasonable compromise. Allow only muskets, blunderbusses, flintlock pistols, etc. from that era. 2A would remain intact.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Eh... maybe, but using false equivalencies will make people dismiss your points since they will just take it as a weak argument, even if it is done satirically

There's no maybe to it. He's being an inflammatory jerk.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Nothing escapes you Shadow. Keep chugging down that single track.

You are the one using a dumb argument and trying to pretend it has a shred of merit despite the fact guns are the number one killer of children in America and trans people rarely are violent.
It's just as dumb as everyone wanting to blame mental illness and use that as a scapgoat for gun violence.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You are the one using a dumb argument and trying to pretend it has a shred of merit despite the fact guns are the number one killer of children in America and trans people rarely are violent.
It's just as dumb as everyone wanting to blame mental illness and use that as a scapgoat for gun violence.

Remember that time honored adage?

"Guns don't kill people. People kill people".

If it ain't a gun, it will be something else.

 

[Curious George]

It's just as dumb as everyone wanting to blame mental illness and use that as a scapgoat for gun violence.

When I talk about mental health, I am using an umbrella term for things that would include PTSD AND CPTSD, poor coping skills, deficits in interpersonal functioning, deficits in emotional regulation, impulsivity, addiction, neuroticism, and high emotional reactivity. None of these things are in and of themselves to blame or determinants of violence, but they are things that can be addressed to reduce violence overall and improve the lives of even those who struggle with these issues and will never act out aggressively towards self or others.

 

[Shaul]

So ALERRT did a study on mass or attempted mass shootings from 2000 to 2021 and how they ended and this is what they found

Of 433 mass shooting scenerios, 22 were stopped by good guys with guns. This doesn't seem to be a reliable way to stop a growing problem, imo...

ANALYSIS: Who Stops a ‘Bad Guy With a Gun’?

The lengthy police response to a school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, and the death of an armed security guard as part of an attack on a Buffalo su...

www.allsides.com

My proposals don't rely on "good guys with guns".

 

[Soandso]

Remember that time honored adage?

"Guns don't kill people. People kill people".

If it ain't a gun, it will be something else.

If it's something else, what would that thing be that could kill as many people as an as assault style rifle could? Let's use the Las Vegas shooting as an example

 

[Soandso]

My proposals don't rely on "good guys with guns".

If you look at the graph, the "civilian" strand is the one I'm referring to, and that seems to me to be exactly what giving school staff guns would look like

Yet our problem continues to spiral out of control. Why aren't we trying the methods other first world countries have used to successfully curb their problem, like the UK did in response to the Dunblane Massacre, instead of trying untested methods that only seem like they will lead to more bloodshed? Most of these people go into these shootings expecting to die! Death is not a deterrant

Why are we continuing to go after the symptom instead of trying to treat the actual source of the problem?

 

[Curious George]

Why are we continuing to go after the symptom instead of trying to treat the actual source of the problem?

Is the source of murderous intent ease of access to guns?