Anti-Islamic Sentiment on RF

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][102-108] And when your Lord seizes a sinful town, He seizes it like this: indeed His seizure is very terrible and painful. In fact, there is a Sign in this for everyone who dreads the Torment of the Hereafter:105 that will be the Day when all the people shall gather together and will witness everything that will happen there. We are deferring that only for a fixed term. When that Day will come, no one shall dare speak a word except with Allah's permission106 Then some people shall be damned, while others blessed. Those who shall be damned shall go to Hell: here they will pant and hiss (because of thirst). Therein they shall abide for ever as long as the earth and the heavens shall last107 unless your Lord ordains otherwise. Indeed your Lord has full powers to do as He will.108 As for those who shall be blessed they will go to the Garden and dwell therein for ever as long as the earth and the heavens shall last, unless your Lord wills something else.109 They will be blessed with a boon that will be imperishable.

Lava. sorry I meant to say tafseer not verse.
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[.lava]

No problem sister.

The first highlight is everyone, means angles, humans mankind, jinns and everything that is earthly will vanish.

The second highlight is wrong translation you have and my arabic and other english translation says "UNLESS" if Allah swt wishes. Hellfire and Paradise is eternal "UNLESS" he wish to change it and not "as long as"

wait a minute. i know the word is used is "unless" but it says people will be in gardens of heaven as long as or so long heaven and hell endures, unless what God wills/wishes..here the word "unless" is translated as "except". i don't see how it is related to first part of verse though it basicly says heaven and hell would continue unless God wills otherwise.

yes, everything that's created vanishes, only God remains because only God is with no begining and end

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[Erebus]

OFCOURSE I DO. Please I can show you posts of mine in other forums that shows clearly that I cared for not only vietnam but hiroshima and negakasiky.

Did you care about the innocents in Ireland who've been killed and injured during the skirmishes there? They are westerners you know.

Honestly I'm dissapointed that you've shown so much anger, especially when some of your fellow Muslims have been explaining why anger is not to be encouraged. I'm not sure you realise just how angry a lot of us in the West were and still are about the war. It's a complete waste of life on both sides.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Please. your concern is was not for the iraqis, or muslims. your concern was for the armiees and their boys.

Did you joing the demo for kashmir? palastine? somalia? chechnya? Afghanisatan, etc? NO. You cared less about these people and GOD knows best what is in the hart of mankind.

Thank you for telling me who I am concerned about. I care for all life. I feel for the people of palastine and I dont like the apartheid system they live under. I care for the people of Kashmir of all types Christian,Muslim and Hindu. I did support the people of palastine in the first Interfata with both time and money.

I can't support every cause so I did not give anything to the other problems.
My sect of Hinduism when a Muslim child comes to their orphanage they raise him as Muslim (at least at one of there orphanages I don't know about all of them) So I even give money to help raise children as Muslim.

 

[301ouncer]

Did you care about the innocents in Ireland who've been killed and injured during the skirmishes there? They are westerners you know.

Honestly I'm dissapointed that you've shown so much anger, especially when some of your fellow Muslims have been explaining why anger is not to be encouraged. I'm not sure you realise just how angry a lot of us in the West were and still are about the war. It's a complete waste of life on both sides.

Ofcourse i did and do to this day. Ireland belongs to Ireland as a whole and the catholics are entitled to the whole ireland. Other minoritis should protected and looked after.

I have a revert irish brother who is dear to me. So I know.

I gave a general statement on my beloved friend george gallway. It is you and other members who started to twist my posts and make it as if it was a direct post to each. Majority care less about muslims and more about their boys their material world.

 

[301ouncer]

That is it. I am done here. I cleared the tiny little misunderstanding with my sister lava. and that is the best thing I done today. Out.

Oh lava did you read the edit I did on the post about the tafsir. Hope it clears things between us?

 

[maro]

You do not have to pity me sister on iraq. I do not think you have the concept of ONE NATION in islam in you.

I don't think you know me enough to tell me what i have and what i don't

Every thing to you is OUT OF CONTEXT as long as it does not contradict your wimps and desires.

THAT verse which I qouted is a CLEAR CUT verse and does not need your satalite scholar or scholar "BUT" to teach you it is interpretation. Shall I teach some about our wonderfull scholar "BUT"??

So you dont start having nightmare of that verse sister. I shall explain it to you. QURAN is ETERNAL not confined to the times of madina, etc.

Sorry ,bro....but your ignorance is plain....desires and wimps are what is leading you and your hateful conclusions....not me

I don't have time to explain to you who is qulaified to make tafsir of the quranic verses and to explain to EMH what i meant by the scholary standards , but i will come back to do so inshallah

 

[Erebus]

Ofcourse i did and do to this day. Ireland belongs to Ireland as a whole and the catholics are entitled to the whole ireland. Other minoritis should protected and looked after.

I have a revert irish brother who is dear to me. So I know.

Whoops, evidently not that informed on the situation in Ireland. The bloodshed is about who should own Ireland. The skirmishes and attacks take place between Catholics and Protestants, neither side is happy with the other... so to speak.

I gave a general statement on my beloved friend george gallway. It is you and other members who started to twist my posts and make it as if it was a direct post to each. Majority care less about muslims and more about their boys their material world.

Honestly I think it's a shame you think that westerners don't care about what's going on. The amount of protests going on is unbelievable, unfortunately there isn't a great deal we can do to stop the war. As has been mentioned already, our governments are prone to acting undemocratically when it suits them.

 

[301ouncer]

I don't have time to explain to you who is qulaified to make tafsir of the quranic verses and to explain to EMH what i meant by the scholary standards , but i will come back to do so inshallah

In this case I shall teach of your scholar "BUT". That ayah has a consense of the Jama'a of the salaf scholars. Do you know anything about Wala'a and Bara'a?

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

You can safely forget kashmir..
Did you care for Vietnam?

I think that Vietnam was a war of colonialism.

 

[301ouncer]

I don't think you know me enough to tell me what i have and what i don't



Sorry ,bro....but your ignorance is plain....desires and wimps are what is leading you and your hateful conclusions....not me

I don't have time to explain to you who is qulaified to make tafsir of the quranic verses and to explain to EMH what i meant by the scholary standards , but i will come back to do so inshallah

I did not call you ignorant!! shame of you to call me ignorant. I said you did not have the concept of ONE NATION in you. May Allah swt forgive you for calling your learned muslims brother ignorant.

Do you know the meaning of the word ignorant? JAHAL? is? I advice you to refrain from firing away as the tonge is the first part of the body that will be the cause to loosing good deeds.

Do you know what the title JAHAL is used for? what entailes to the title holder?

Oh I see that you gone and do not have time for your brother but time for scholar "BUT". Send my salams to scholar satalite for me too.

Ok then back to trading.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

yes, no problem. i am not willing to judge you or anything. i just say whatever i say because there've been Muslims since 14th century. if Muslims are giving this reactions to Western nations and authorities, their motivation for anger is not just religious. IMO it is unfair to ignore it

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I see much of the problems in the middle East is due to European Colonialism.
Years ago I was in an International Relations class about the middle east. The only thing the Israeli,Saudi and Palestinian students could agree on. Its all the fault of the English.

 

[301ouncer]

I see much of the problems in the middle East is due to European Colonialism.
Years ago I was in an International Relations class about the middle east. The only thing the Israeli,Saudi and Palestinian students could agree on. Its all the fault of the English.

NO. That is in the old days. Today is the world against islam. Aheem "War on Terror" Aheem "War on Islam" Aheem "War for the Anti-christ system and establishment"

 

[.lava]

I see much of the problems in the middle East is due to European Colonialism.
Years ago I was in an International Relations class about the middle east. The only thing the Israeli,Saudi and Palestinian students could agree on. Its all the fault of the English.

IMO colonization is still going on. it was not possible to do it in Middle East while Ottoman Empire was strong. now that's divided in more than dozen of nations, it is possible. but the ways of colonization is upgraded.

that's an interesting observation. thank you for sharing

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[Metempsychosis]

I think that Vietnam was a war of colonialism.

Buddhists dont consider it as "War on Buddhism"..whereas many muslims consider Iraq war to be "War on Islam",when it is just a war between two countries.

 

[.lava]

Buddhists dont consider it as "War on Buddhism"..whereas many muslims consider Iraq war to be "War on Islam",when it is just a war between two countries.

maybe it is because name of Islam is used by Western authorities. have you ever heard of Christian terrorist? this trend, calling criminals and terrorist "Islamic" is choice of Western. they are not called Arabic, Turkish or Iraqi terrorists, they are all called Islamic as if Islam, the religion itself and its holy book approve terror

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[Storm]

maybe it is because name of Islam is used by Western authorities. have you ever heard of Christian terrorist? this trend, calling criminals and terrorist "Islamic" is choice of Western. they are not called Arabic, Turkish or Iraqi terrorists, they are all called Islamic as if Islam, the religion itself and its holy book approve terror

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They call themselves Islamic, though.

 

[Ba'al]

Buddhists dont consider it as "War on Buddhism"..whereas many muslims consider Iraq war to be "War on Islam",when it is just a war between two countries.

If you read the thread "should we fear islam" you'll notice many members have the view that it is a war on islam. I've always said the situation was political and not to mix religion with politics.

 

[301ouncer]

If you read the thread "should we fear islam" you'll notice many members have the view that it is a war on islam. I've always said the situation was political and not to mix religion with politics.

Yes the politics towards the establishement, complations and full implementation of the anti-christ system.

No matter what you believe which I respect but will never change the evidence and facts for the above. It is a war on Islam.

 

[gnostic]

I see much of the problems in the middle East is due to European Colonialism.
Years ago I was in an International Relations class about the middle east. The only thing the Israeli,Saudi and Palestinian students could agree on. Its all the fault of the English.

IMO colonization is still going on. it was not possible to do it in Middle East while Ottoman Empire was strong. now that's divided in more than dozen of nations, it is possible. but the ways of colonization is upgraded.

But if you go back some centuries, the Ottoman Empire have actually colonised eastern Europe for several centuries, when they breached Europe after capturing Constantinople, and have tried to expand into Central Europe. The Ottoman Turks took lands that didn't belong to them, spreading Islam as much from bloody conquests.

So I don't think the Muslims are the ones to talk of European colonisation.

Also, the Muslims have encroached on the East too, during that time, overrunning Central Asia and the Indian subcontinent, also through conquests. Did you think the Hindu wanted Muslims and their religion at their doorsteps? And through conquests, they took many Hindu women as slaves and concubines. Islam and the Islamic imperialism have gone as far as China.