Anti-Islamic Sentiment on RF

[301ouncer]

could you please give verse and surah number? i don't think i can find it just like that among thousands of verses. i need to read it from original text

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I am Iraqi from baghdad so I know arabic and the slang arabic too. The english translation is good and very close so you will have no excuse to debunck me.

(1) Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibrahim (Abraham) and those with him, when they said to their people: "Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you hostility and hatred for ever until you believe in Allah Alone" - except the saying of Ibrahim (Abraham) to his father: "Verily, I will ask forgiveness (from Allah) for you, but I have no power to do anything for you before Allah. " Our Lord! In You (Alone) we put our trust, and to You (Alone) we turn in repentance, and to You (Alone) is (our) final Return.
( سورة الممتحنة , Al-Mumtahana, Chapter #60, Verse #4)

 

[Erebus]

I know that in Dubai it's illegal to show public affection regardless of whether you are gay, straight or bi. No matter what your sexuality is, you're expected to keep it private. I recently went out with a girl who had come from Dubai to study, she was incredibly uncomfortable just hugging in public, let alone kissing.
I don't know how this is treated in other Muslim countries, but in Dubai, it's a law that doesn't discriminate on sexuality... officially anyway. I know that Western judges are notorious for discrimination, I doubt it's different anywhere else.

 

[.lava]

I am Iraqi from baghdad so I know arabic and the slang arabic too. The english translation is good and very close so you will have no excuse to debunck me.

sorry, i don't mean to be disrespestful but i can't depend on you. would you share number of verse and surah?

edit: OK, now i sw you already did. thank you

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[301ouncer]

sorry, i don't mean to be disrespestful but i can't depend on you. would you share number of verse and surah?

edit: OK, now i sw you already did. thank you

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Look up I done it in english and here in arabic:

4قَدْ كَانَتْ لَكُمْ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ فِي إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ إِذْ قَالُوا لِقَوْمِهِمْ إِنَّا بُرَآءُ مِنكُمْ وَمِمَّا تَعْبُدُونَ مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ كَفَرْنَا بِكُمْ وَبَدَا بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمُ الْعَدَاوَةُ وَالْبَغْضَاءُ أَبَدًا حَتَّىٰ تُؤْمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَحْدَهُ إِلَّا قَوْلَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ لِأَبِيهِ لَأَسْتَغْفِرَنَّ لَكَ وَمَا أَمْلِكُ لَكَ مِنَ اللَّهِ مِن شَيْءٍ ۖ رَّبَّنَا عَلَيْكَ تَوَكَّلْنَا وَإِلَيْكَ أَنَبْنَا وَإِلَيْكَ الْمَصِيرُ

You see this the difference between me and you. I humble myself before my brothers and sisters. Because they have probably more knowledge then me. I never show arrogance towards my brothers and sisters even when they are wrong where as you showed some pompus arrogance towards your brothers without first asking where I came to know of this knowledge. I hope you change. Indeed Baghdad taught me to be low down to earth and be humble and aftwards islam perfected it for me. Indeed the anti-christ system is brain washing the masses including the muslims.

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[England my lionheart]

Look up I done it in english and here in arabic:

4قَدْ كَانَتْ لَكُمْ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ فِي إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ إِذْ قَالُوا لِقَوْمِهِمْ إِنَّا بُرَآءُ مِنكُمْ وَمِمَّا تَعْبُدُونَ مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ كَفَرْنَا بِكُمْ وَبَدَا بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمُ الْعَدَاوَةُ وَالْبَغْضَاءُ أَبَدًا حَتَّىٰ تُؤْمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَحْدَهُ إِلَّا قَوْلَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ لِأَبِيهِ لَأَسْتَغْفِرَنَّ لَكَ وَمَا أَمْلِكُ لَكَ مِنَ اللَّهِ مِن شَيْءٍ ۖ رَّبَّنَا عَلَيْكَ تَوَكَّلْنَا وَإِلَيْكَ أَنَبْنَا وَإِلَيْكَ الْمَصِيرُ

You see this the difference between me and you. I humble myself before my brothers and sisters. Because they have probably more knowledge then me. I never show arrogance towards my brothers and sisters even when they are wrong where as you showed some pompus arrogance towards your brothers without first asking where I came to know of this knowledge. I hope you change. Indeed Baghdad taught me to be low down to earth and be humble and aftwards islam perfected it for me. Indeed the anti-christ system is brain washing the masses including the muslims.

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What is the anti Christ system 301

 

[maro]

Look up I done it in english and here in arabic:

4قَدْ كَانَتْ لَكُمْ أُسْوَةٌ حَسَنَةٌ فِي إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ إِذْ قَالُوا لِقَوْمِهِمْ إِنَّا بُرَآءُ مِنكُمْ وَمِمَّا تَعْبُدُونَ مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ كَفَرْنَا بِكُمْ وَبَدَا بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمُ الْعَدَاوَةُ وَالْبَغْضَاءُ أَبَدًا حَتَّىٰ تُؤْمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَحْدَهُ إِلَّا قَوْلَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ لِأَبِيهِ لَأَسْتَغْفِرَنَّ لَكَ وَمَا أَمْلِكُ لَكَ مِنَ اللَّهِ مِن شَيْءٍ ۖ رَّبَّنَا عَلَيْكَ تَوَكَّلْنَا وَإِلَيْكَ أَنَبْنَا وَإِلَيْكَ الْمَصِيرُ

You see this the difference between me and you. I humble myself before my brothers and sisters. Because they have probably more knowledge then me.

So you take this verse out of the context it was mentioned in and interpret it as an order to hate non muslims ?

Then how do you explain the love of the prophet (PBUH) to his non muslim uncle abu talib that the quan pointed to ? and how do you know exactly who is a kafir and who isn't ? do you consider every non muslim automatically to be a kafir ? haven't you heard of Ahl al Fatrah ?

Listen , i know that what happened in iraq is a tragedy by all means...i don't blame you if you are loaded with plenty of hate and negative feelings...but fear God brother , and don't preach your hatred in the name of islam....if you can't rise above it....if you can't let it go....i don't blame you....but you shouldn't be here...saying what you say

You have already said you are not a scholar...why don't you let the interpreatation of the verses to the scholars ,instead of twisting them to mean what you want them to mean ?

 

[.lava]

Do you want more?

Was it you who kept silent when asked whether I was muslim or NOT? Shall I give you some lessons in the brotherhood of ISLAM? Or you spending too much time here has clouded your knowledge of who is your brother and who is not?

actually, yes, i want more of these verses you talk about. first verse you share does not use the word "hate". but i would search for more knowledge and what story lays behind it.

of course i'd keep silence when someone wants me to judge another person's faith. that's definetely none of my business. i can only speak in general. if i was asked who's Muslim according to Qur'an i would try to share what i know. but i won't make it personal

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[England my lionheart]

Personally i think its great he is here,this is whats so good about about RF,although you are saying his interpretation is wrong i think this interpretaion is shared by many.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Dear Maro and lava I know how you feel. I was on a different forum were some Hindu's talked about Islam and Christianity in very bad ways. I would argue with them about the bad light they were putting Hinduism under. They would not stop no matter what I said.
There are always bad apples in every barrel.

 

[Autodidact]

Iran is not islam and it is Iranian authorative.

This is the kind of nonsense that some Muslims assert here at RF. What is, 301, Buddhist?

Or do you belong to the school of thought that all the people who call themselves Muslim really aren't too?

 

[Autodidact]

.lava, maro, and others: Is 301 fairly typical of a large number of the world's Muslims?

 

[maro]

Personally i think its great he is here,this is whats so good about about RF,although you are saying his interpretation is wrong i think this interpretaion is shared by many.

it might be shared by many of those whose country was destroyed..no wonder...i don't blame him for the hatred...i blame him for ignoring the scholary standards of interpretation to find a quranic support for what he is feeling right now

Every verse has a Context , out of which it can mean anything and everthing...what do you think the scholars spend their lives studying ?!

 

[.lava]

Listen , i know that what happened in iraq is a tragedy by all means...i don't blame you if you are loaded with plenty of hate and negative feelings

i agree with what she says but i quoted this part specially. because it is very important. i can not imagine how you feel or what you experienced. but i can understand if you are angry with Western. just wanted to say that. i also want to apologize. because i could not think of it until Maro replied to you. it is my bad. i should have known better. please forgive me that i did not offer empathy. i still disagree with you but that's anohter issue.

thank you, Maro for your reply to him. you are definetely more thoughtful than i am. when he said he is from Iraq, i really could not think of what kind of suffering he saw and lived. only after your post, i came to think about it. thank you

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[maro]

.lava, maro, and others: Is 301 fairly typical of a large number of the world's Muslims?

I would say that the angry attitude is prevalent among muslims...and honestly hatred to some extent...thanks to what we have suffered and are suffering from...

I wouldn't play *miss wise* and claim that i didn't go through this phase myself....untill allah has chosen something better for me

 

[England my lionheart]

it might be shared by many of those whose country was destroyed..no wonder...i don't blame him for the hatred...i blame him for ignoring the scholary standards of interpretation to find a quranic support for what he is feeling right now

Every verse has a Context , out of which it can mean anything and everthing...what do you think the scholars spend their lives studying ?!

You have hit the nail on the head Maro,there are all types of Scholars preaching all types of interpretations and his happens to be one of them.

 

[monta]

You have hit the nail on the head Maro,there are all types of Scholars preaching all types of interpretations and his happens to be one of them.

I think 301 specifically said he wasn't a scholar.

 

[England my lionheart]

I think 301 specifically said he wasn't a scholar.

I was refering to the "scholarly standards" or lack of

 

[.lava]

.lava, maro, and others: Is 301 fairly typical of a large number of the world's Muslims?

fairly typical Muslim believes in Allah and oneness of God. typical Muslim believe Mohammad SAW is Prophet and messenger of Allah. no doubt he believes the same, so do i, so does Maro

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[.lava]

I said I finished here. But could not help not to reply to this and let it slide.

Can I ask you where in a Quran or Hadith what you say is true? Are you reading from the same Quran or Sahih hadith for that matter?

Or you just like to twist and turn Statements sent from the above the seven heavens to please and appease your earthly guests?

Sincere advie to you it is very dangerouse what you have just said above.

please read 55:26 & 55:27 from Qur'an. i can not find perfectly correct translation on-line. here's what i found;

55:26 Everyone that is thereon will pass away
55:27 There remaineth but the Countenance of thy Lord of Might and Glory.

you can also check out 11:108;

11:108 And as to those who are made happy, they shall be in the garden, abiding in it as long as the heavens and the earth endure, except as your Lord please; a gift which shall never be cut off.

according to our teachings, people remain in heaven and hell as long as they endure, except as God please...if God will them to end, they end

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[sonofskeptish]

This is the kind of thing that gets my goat, the idea that racism is the fault of the person being hated because they bring it on themselves, either by the actions of an individual or minority group, and in this case the individual is lacking in credentials, just a random internet entity, who is passing themselves of, rightly or wrongly as a Muslim, and somehow this validates anti Muslim feeling.

Perhaps you should read the whole post... including the part you trimmed...

"I feel sorry for peaceful, rational, moderate muslims everywhere".

Rightly or wrongly, and like it or not, this kind of demonstration fuels anti-Islamic sentiment...

Ask any one of them... they'll tell them you they are muslims.

And as I said before... I feel sorry for peaceful, rational, moderate muslims everywhere.