Anti-Islamic Sentiment on RF

[Storm]

Hi paul, NO I DO NOT HATE GAYS. In capital letters just to make it clear it to you.

In Islam it teachs me to respect the private wishs of individuals. If what they get upto all in private I have no hate towards them whatsoever. I hope they come to their senses and pray for them to change. BUT if these acts done in public or laws pushed to teach my future generations into accepting such acts as normal and Allah given rights then this is a NO NO for me.

In the dark ages of europe. Even a sniff of someone is gay amounted to burning at the stake. But in ISLAM even a sniff of someone is gay has the total protection of the state when walking the streets or visiting shops. As long as they respect our divine laws. They are my friends.

Then why do you think they should be murdered?

 

[301ouncer]

Then why do you think they should be murdered?

When done in public or witnessed by 4 then Gloves are off. How often do you see such acts done in public and witnessed by 4? NONE AT ALL. SO WHERE IS THE MURDER HERE.

 

[Storm]

When done in public or witnessed by 4 then. Gloves are off. How often do you see such acts done in public and witnessed by 4? NONE AT ALL. SO WHERE IS THE MURDER HERE.

You didn't answer the question.

ETA:
http://nottoomuch.com/images/publichanging.jpg

Why there are no homosexuals in Iran.

 

[301ouncer]

You didn't answer the question.

I answered it fully.

 

[no-body]

When done in public or witnessed by 4 then Gloves are off. How often do you see such acts done in public and witnessed by 4? NONE AT ALL. SO WHERE IS THE MURDER HERE.

What is "when done in public" exactly? Kissing, holding hands?

 

[301ouncer]

What is "when done in public" exactly? Kissing, holding hands?

I am not a muslim scholar as I trade comodities day and day out so I can not give you a fatwa on this.

When done in public is when the actual act is taking place of sexual intercourse. This is the last of what is my understanding of the topic.

intimate Kissing for muslims couples in public is not allowed let alone for homo partners. A quick kiss on the cheek is not a problem too as long as they are married couples and in the spare of love kind of moments.

 

[Storm]

I answered it fully.

No, you didn't.

 

[Storm]

Reposting since you probably missed the edit:

ETA:

Why there are no homosexuals in Iran.

There's the murder.

 

[301ouncer]

Reposting since you probably missed the edit:

There's the murder.

Iran is not islam and it is Iranian authorative.

 

[.lava]

I said I finished here. But could not help not to reply to this and let it slide.

Can I ask you where in a Quran or Hadith what you say is true? Are you reading from the same Quran or Sahih hadith for that matter?

Or you just like to twist and turn Statements sent from the above the seven heavens to please and appease your earthly guests?

Sincere advie to you it is very dangerouse what you have just said above.

everything has a begining and an end, except for God. only God is eternal. it is only God who does not have a life time. if a day in heaven lasted for a million year, it is still not equal to eternity. but for creatures like us who have a life time maximum for 120 years or so, it feels like forever. that's what i am saying. i would bring verses if there are any related to this. as i said earlier, i avoid talking about heaven and hell. because what matters is this present life we are living and what makes people earn heaven or earn hell. being a Muslim and performing salaats can not save you from hell. as long as you don't wish to reach God before you die, you earn hell.

btw, i don't have any Earthly guests and i don't twist anything. i am only sharing knowledge of Tasavvuf. you say "God loves to hate". you should know, it is you who loves to hate, not God. if there is something dangerous, this must be it

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[Storm]

Iran is not islam and it is Iranian authorative.

Still dodging. It's a simple question: if you don't hate queers, why do you think they should be murdered?

 

[301ouncer]

btw, i don't have any Earthly guests and i don't twist anything. i am only sharing knowledge of Tasavvuf. you say "God loves to hate". you should know, it is you who loves to hate, not God. if there is something dangerous, this must be it.

Can you tell me what the surah about abu lahab is about?

 

[.lava]

Can you tell me what the surah about abu lahab is about?

would you please give me the number of verse and surah so i can check it out?
edit: btw Abu Lahab was not just a sinner minding his own business. he was trying to kill Prophet

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[YmirGF]

Hi paul, NO I DO NOT HATE GAYS. In capital letters just to make it clear it to you.

OK, I admit it, you certainly had me fooled.

In Islam it teachs me to respect the private wishs of individuals. If what they get up to all in private I have no hate towards them whatsoever. I hope they come to their senses and pray for them to change.

This sounds somewhat reasonable until I apply the thinking to a Muslim. How would you feel if I said, "I hope you come to your senses and pray for you to change." Would you take offence to such a suggestion (that you change from being a Muslim)?

As long as they respect our divine laws. They are my friends.

In my view, this is where you and other Muslims cross the line of sound reason. You simply cannot prove, unequivocally, that said laws are of divine origin. Claiming that they cannot be disproved to be of divine origin is the essence of intellectual bankruptcy. So, saying that they are of divine origin is a very large problem.

As long as you say, "It is my belief that these are divine laws" then we can have no quarrel as that statement does not claim an absolute. There is a vast gulf between reality and the perception of reality and until you can successfully bridge that gulf you simply cannot claim anything is in fact of divine origin. That is the line in the sand and those who cross that fine line, do so, at their own peril.

 

[sonofskeptish]

Iran is not islam and it is Iranian authorative.

The Islamic Republic of Iran, with it's 99.4% Muslim population (74 million of 'em), and it's Islamic "Supreme Leader" is not Islamic? That's among the most ridiculous statements I've ever heard.

Homosexual-hating, women-opressing individuals are the primary cause of Anti-Islamic Sentiment... I feel sorry for peaceful, rational, moderate muslims everywhere.

 

[301ouncer]

would you please give me the number of verse and surah so i can check it out?
edit: btw Abu Lahab was not just a sinner minding his own business. he was trying to kill Prophet

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there is two aspect: What Allaah want me to beleive in and what Allaah want me to do or not to do

1. Allaah loves the sinner to seek forgivness from Him

2. Allaah swt order you to hate kaafir for Allaah's Sake ( This statement of mine falls in second point nicely (you say "God loves to hate")

 

[.lava]

there is two aspect: What Allaah want me to beleive in and what Allaah want me to do or not to do

1. Allaah loves the sinner to seek forgivness from Him

2. Allaah swt order you to hate kaafir for Allaah's Sake

who is kaafir? please show me where God commands me to hate

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[monta]

Here... have some frubals for your stupidity, and for clearly demonstrating the reason there is Anti-Islamic Sentiment on RF

This is the kind of thing that gets my goat, the idea that racism is the fault of the person being hated because they bring it on themselves, either by the actions of an individual or minority group, and in this case the individual is lacking in credentials, just a random internet entity, who is passing themselves of, rightly or wrongly as a Muslim, and somehow this validates anti Muslim feeling.

 

[301ouncer]

who is kaafir? please show me where God commands me to hate

(1) Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibrahim (Abraham) and those with him, when they said to their people: "Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you hostility and hatred for ever until you believe in Allah Alone" - except the saying of Ibrahim (Abraham) to his father: "Verily, I will ask forgiveness (from Allah) for you, but I have no power to do anything for you before Allah. " Our Lord! In You (Alone) we put our trust, and to You (Alone) we turn in repentance, and to You (Alone) is (our) final Return.

Do you want more?

Was it you who kept silent when asked whether I was muslim or NOT? Shall I give you some lessons in the brotherhood of ISLAM? Or you spending too much time here has clouded your knowledge of who is your brother and who is not?

 

[.lava]

(1) Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibrahim (Abraham) and those with him, when they said to their people: "Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you hostility and hatred for ever until you believe in Allah Alone" - except the saying of Ibrahim (Abraham) to his father: "Verily, I will ask forgiveness (from Allah) for you, but I have no power to do anything for you before Allah. " Our Lord! In You (Alone) we put our trust, and to You (Alone) we turn in repentance, and to You (Alone) is (our) final Return.

do you want more?

could you please give verse and surah number? i don't think i can find it just like that among thousands of verses. i need to read it from original text

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