Anti-Islamic Sentiment on RF

[Autodidact]

you really are a manipulative person who twists words aren't you. unlike you some of us are here writting in our second language, but you just love the upper hand when we aren't as good with the english words as you.

I take this as an odd twisted acknowledgment of who's winning this argument.

 

[Autodidact]

i thought stonning women was a good example of our religion. or how about killing the rape victim after having being given an article twice that explains it is ot islamic. is that what you meant to say?

Are you trying to assert that innocent women have not been stoned by Islamic authorities and Muslims acting in the name of Allah?
Or that no rape victim has been flogged, stoned, imprisoned or killed by Islamic authorities in the name of Allah?

Remember, I have no opinion on whether these things are Truly Islamic, only on whether Muslims are doing them in the name of their religion. Do you deny it?

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

I did not read the whole discussion, but I was curious to know why everyone is concentrating on women? Did you know that the same ruling applies for men and women?

Is it to prove or to show that Islam is a religion made my men to control women and the world? I dont know. If it is what some of you think, than please have a look about another thread I started on the Islamic DIR about women in Islam.

Thank you

 

[Autodidact]

I did not read the whole discussion, but I was curious to know why everyone is concentrating on women? Did you know that the same ruling applies for men and women?

You mean a man was raped by women and stoned to death for reporting it?

Is it to prove or to show that Islam is a religion made my men to control women and the world? I dont know. If it is what some of you think, than please have a look about another thread I started on the Islamic DIR about women in Islam.

I don't know what Islam was made for, but that is certainly how it is being used in many places now. Can you doubt it?

Can Saudi Arabian women vote?

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

You mean a man was raped by women and stoned to death for reporting it?

I mean men raping women, and being stoned to death when it was reported. I'll try to bring a hadeeth about this when I find it

I don't know what Islam was made for,

Ive been on another religious forum for a while, and its not moderated and it was full of haters and I kept hearing Islam is made for male domination, so sorry for confusing between those two forums

Can Saudi Arabian women vote?

Not voting, or not driving a car, these two stuffs have nothing to do with Islam; its a question of tradition, each country has its own traditions and I respect that. I dont remember saudi women complaining about that, but I'll try to do some research and talk to some saudi women to get sure. But, in general ; its a matter of tradition and I dont know why the west keep trying to make everyone "happy" with their own traditions while not respecting the fact that others are different and have their own way of thinking .
( When I say the west, Im not being specific about you , Im talking in general, so I hope you wont take it personal )

Best regards

PS:Have you seen that thread entitled "women in Islam" yet? Here's the link if you're interested

 

[Autodidact]

I mean men raping women, and being stoned to death when it was reported.

Well if the victims are all terrified to report it, for fear they'll be stoned to death, the rapists really don't need to worry about it. Bbtw, being a victim and being a perpetrator are not morally equivalent. Thought you should know.

I'll try to bring a hadeeth about this when I find it

Not interested; it's beside the point. This thread is not about what True Islam teaches. it's about what actual Muslims do.

Not voting, or not driving a car, these two stuffs have nothing to do with Islam; its a question of tradition, each country has its own traditions and I respect that. I dont remember saudi women complaining about that, but I'll try to do some research and talk to some saudi women to get sure. But, in general ; its a matter of tradition and I dont know why the west keep trying to make everyone "happy" with their own traditions while not respecting the fact that others are different and have their own way of thinking .
( When I say the west, Im not being specific about you , Im talking in general, so I hope you wont take it personal )

Please review the thread. We're not talking about whether the qur'an prohibits women from voting. We're talking about what Muslims authorities actually do in the name of Islam. (I'm getting tired of repeating this extremely simple concept.)

 

[.lava]

We're talking about what Muslims authorities actually do in the name of Islam. (I'm getting tired of repeating this extremely simple concept.)

and we are responsible of that misunderstanding...funny

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[Autodidact]

and we are responsible of that misunderstanding...funny

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Well I've said it every way I know how other than standing on my head. Do you get what I'm driving at, .lava? That is has nothing to do with what the qur'an says, True Islam, or proper Islamic doctrine? It's about what is actually happening in the real world?

 

[.lava]

Well I've said it every way I know how other than standing on my head. Do you get what I'm driving at, .lava? That is has nothing to do with what the qur'an says, True Islam, or proper Islamic doctrine? It's about what is actually happening in the real world?

yes, after all i get that. do you get what i say? how could a Muslim know that you are talking about injustice while you call it Islam and while the title of this thread is "Anti-Islamic sentiment on RF"?

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[Autodidact]

yes, after all i get that. do you get what i say? how could a Muslim know that you are talking about injustice while you call it Islam and while the title of this thread is "Anti-Islamic sentiment on RF"?

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Yes, I call the religion practiced by the world's Muslims "Islam." The actual religion as actually practiced, not the True, abstract, theoretical, hypothetical religion, but the actual, on the ground, as practiced by actual Muslims trying to follow their religion, Islam. What other word should I use for that?

p.s. I didn't name the thread.

 

[.lava]

Yes, I call the religion practiced by the world's Muslims "Islam." The actual religion as actually practiced, not the True, abstract, theoretical, hypothetical religion, but the actual, on the ground, as practiced by actual Muslims trying to follow their religion, Islam. What other word should I use for that?

p.s. I didn't name the thread.

yes, i know, i know. i know it too well i could even see your wording in my dreams. this is your latest approach to injustice in Muslim nations..."Actual Muslims". i actually find it to be very cute. i hope you'd be correctly understood. as i probably said before, this is about authorities. note that they are individuals too. each Muslim is an actual Muslim. none of us is fictional. but "actual" authorities happened to be strange. people have no power over authority. this is a fact. only bunch of men decides what's right and wrong and they probably have a huge lack of self-confidence so they like to punish women for being women...is this Islamic? i know, it is not. Actual Book of Islam stands against this kind of stuff, yes, i said actual book...i am just going with the flow

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[Autodidact]

yes, i know, i know. i know it too well i could even see your wording in my dreams. this is your latest approach to injustice in Muslim nations..."Actual Muslims". i actually find it to be very cute. i hope you'd be correctly understood. as i probably said before, this is about authorities. note that they are individuals too. each Muslim is an actual Muslim. none of us is fictional. but "actual" authorities happened to be strange. people have no power over authority. this is a fact. only bunch of men decides what's right and wrong and they probably have a huge lack of self-confidence so they like to punish women for being women...is this Islamic? i know, it is not. Actual Book of Islam stands against this kind of stuff, yes, i said actual book...i am just going with the flow

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Well then start a thread. This one is about what is actually going on in the real world. I suggest you put it in the DIR forum.

I don't think it's appropriate for me, a non-Muslim, to tell Muslims how to practice their religion. It would be arrogant. I haven't even read the book.

What I'm trying to get people to talk about is why these things are happening. Why do Muslim countries, and only Muslim countries, deny women the right to drive? Stone rape-victims to death?

Why do Muslims riot over cartoons, and not non-Muslims? Why are all the suicide bombers Muslim? What is different about Islam that causes Muslims to do these things? If it's not the qur'an, then what is it?

I've given my opinion--it's theocracy, and the cure is secularization.

What's yours?

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

What I'm trying to get people to talk about is why these things are happening. Why do Muslim countries, and only Muslim countries, deny women the right to drive? Stone rape-victims to death?

Why do Muslims riot over cartoons, and not non-Muslims? Why are all the suicide bombers Muslim? What is different about Islam that causes Muslims to do these things? If it's not the qur'an, then what is it?

One sincere question if you allow me : have you ever went to an Islamic country and tried to know the people? Or are your informations only based on media?

Best regards

 

[Autodidact]

One sincere question if you allow me : have you ever went to an Islamic country and tried to know the people? Or are your informations only based on media?

Best regards

I know American Muslims, but I have not traveled to any Muslim country. Why, do you dispute these media reports? Are you saying that these things don't happen? The UN, CNN, Al Jazeera etc. are lying?

 

[Autodidact]

Frankly, as a single, atheist, lesbian woman, I'd be afraid to travel to a Muslim country.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

You fear to be killed? , I dunno if me telling you that the killing thing is just propaganda is enough to you or not, but I assure you that no one will even look at you, maybe they'll do because you look different ( I mean you dont look arab) , but beside that it will be fine.

Dont tell me that you watched that Brad pitt movie where his girl friend was shot in an arab country too??

Seriously, if you really want to get your facts right, go and see by yourself. And maybe on the same occasion, you can go to a muslim scholar who will teach you or answer any question you have in mind about Islam.

On a side note; not all muslim countries are arab, did you know that arabs represent only 20% of the whole muslim community?

 

[Gharib]

Well you keep saying that, but oddly you have not provided a single source to refute any of my claims.

oddly none of your claims have anything to do with islam, but instead with non-islamic culture and tradition. prove i otherwise if you think thats not correct.

Remember, I'm not making any claims about the teaching of Islam; I'm only making claims about the practice. If you want to start a thread about the teachings of Islam, feel free. I don't have enough expertise to have an opinion on the subject.

what about the practice? you see someone who is a muslim do wrong and you say thats what islam teaches and all other muslims do the same.

Lies? Yes, the article is a lie. But you have no problem in spreading around that lie about people who never did you any harm. You should be ashamed of yourself. Is spreading evil lies about other people Islamic?

right nice contradiction look.
"If you want to start a thread about the teachings of Islam, feel free. I don't have enough expertise to have an opinion on the subject."

"Yes, the article is a lie"

so which one is it, you don't have the expertise to have an oppinion on the teachings of islam or you do?

the article clearly explains the true teaching of islam about the rape victim, it includes verses from the quran and hadith. care to try once more?

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Why, do you dispute these media reports?

I dont know if you have noticed it, but propagandas reach the top when it comes to Muslims.

 

[Gharib]

I take this as an odd twisted acknowledgment of who's winning this argument.

no you are not wining the argument by twisting words, i just wanted to pointthat out because you do not accept your views being proven wrong but you also take advantade to missinterpret our statements due to some of us having english as a second language.

 

[Gharib]

Are you trying to assert that innocent women have not been stoned by Islamic authorities and Muslims acting in the name of Allah?
Or that no rape victim has been flogged, stoned, imprisoned or killed by Islamic authorities in the name of Allah?

Remember, I have no opinion on whether these things are Truly Islamic, only on whether Muslims are doing them in the name of their religion. Do you deny it?

they are not being done in the name of Islam. prove it if they are because all you seem to do is post a case and then YOU say it is done in the name of Islam. so prove it but not in your words. show me a link of a muslim who does kill the rape victim saying he does it because islam says so.