Anyone still supporting Trump?

[fantome profane]

I voted for him in 2016 as the lesser of 2 evils.

Do you still believe that after all that has happened? Are you as sure as you were in 2016?

If you could pick up a telephone and talk to Revoltingest2016 would you tell that guy not to vote for Trump?

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes.

But they are no longer admitting to it.

 

[Trailblazer]

I'm figuring tens of millions of Americans will stick with him, even despite everything.

That's true, and then you have to ask why.....
I have a MA in Psychology but I don't even pretend to know why.

 

[Revoltingest]

Do you still believe that after all that has happened? Are you as sure as you were in 2016?

Do you know how Bayesian probability works?
It's all about adjusting probability based upon new data.
(I never calculated confidence levels.) So judgment
of politicians is dynamic.

If you could pick up a telephone and talk to Revoltingest2016 would you tell that guy not to vote for Trump?

Yes.
Unlike most people here, I don't decide upon a vote,
& then support that candidate no matter what.
I allow for new data that changes evaluations.
BTW, I wouldn't have voted for Hillary either.

 

[fantome profane]

Do you know how Bayesian probability works?
It's all about adjusting probability based upon new data.
(I never calculated confidence levels.)

Yes.
Unlike most people here, I don't decide upon a vote,
& then support that candidate no matter what. I allow
for new data that changes evaluations.
BTW, I wouldn't have voted for Hillary either.

My friend, my brother, after four years that is all I ever wanted to hear you say.

 

[Revoltingest]

My friend, my brother, after four years that is all I ever wanted to hear you say.

I hitch my wagon to no politician.
Only to my ideals.

Have you noticed that Trump has delivered
a great deal of data in the last couple months?

 

[Trailblazer]

I hitch my wagon to no politician.
Only to my ideals.

Same here..... Baha'is cannot be affiliated with any political party, we vote for the person's character.

“The Faith which this order serves, safeguards and promotes is … essentially supernatural, supranational, entirely non-political, non-partisan, and diametrically opposed to any policy or school of thought that seeks to exalt any particular race, class or nation.” The Promised Day Is Come, vi

 

[Twilight Hue]

Ongoing collusion with Russia, egregious and paternalistic mismanagement of post-hurricane Puerto Rico, children wrenched from their parents and put in cages, multifaceted savaging of the environment, the stalwart defense of Confederate monuments, a vicious assault on BLM, grotesque efforts at voter suppression, and 365,000 COVID-19 deaths and now, after Wednesday evening, you've decided to take "a step back" from a compulsively dishonest, narcissistic sexual predator. Tell us, what was your hint that something was amiss?

I don't agree with attacks on freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, the promotion of illegal immigration, and overbearing compulsory policies that affects freedom and liberties of people among many others. That is an overall assessment.

Unfortunately, that means I must 'defend' things that I see as unfavorable or undesirable because those freedoms must apply to everyone. If one disappears and taken away for one group, then the other group loses it too. I will still continue to protect those things as best as one average man can and make no apology for it.

That said, there are many things that violate human rights and dignity that I condem to which I press for reform. That includes unlawful separation , racism, and the like that has assaulted individuals unfairly and unjustly and I had spoken out on those things in the past. Covid issues im not touching on here anymore due to a new forum rule. Lets just say people should be left to make their own health choices, not the government. I leave it at that.

What made me drop Trump was the fact that a red line was crossed that went beyond speech and ideals and resulted in an aggressive action on our institutions of government over an election result.

It made me realize the two party monopoly has now gotten to a point where, In my opinion, both simply have to go because neither is good for the country anymore.

 

[Revoltingest]

Same here..... Baha'is cannot be affiliated with any political party, we vote for the person's character.

“The Faith which this order serves, safeguards and promotes is … essentially supernatural, supranational, entirely non-political, non-partisan, and diametrically opposed to any policy or school of thought that seeks to exalt any particular race, class or nation.” The Promised Day Is Come, vi

Character is a wonderful thing.
But it also matters greatly which agendas the character will pursue.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

I voted for him in 2016 as the lesser of 2 evils.
I never supported him.
In the 2020 election, I saw him as the greater of 2 evils.
But I knew Biden would win, so I voted for Jorgensen instead.

I don’t want to derail the thread from the subject, but just to clarify: do you really think of Biden as “evil” or are you just using that as a figure of speech here to illustrate limited choices?

I figure it’s the latter, since atheists like you and me normally view humans as humans, and judge them relative to each other.

Thanks.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Being against Trump now, after he has literally betrayed us all, including his own party and his own supporters, is nice.

Sadly, this is a bit like deploying the airbags after impact.

My concern with Trump was always focused not just on what he did, but also the way his actions portended what he was capable of. Some were fully aware that he was a maniac but they preferred to put the entire country at risk in order to further their political agenda.

Voting for an unfit demagogue because you agree with his political platform is a form of democratic malpractice. It was irresponsible. I said for years, if Trump had been a Democrat (and he was, until recently) I would have voted against him and supported his impeachment for all the same reasons.

And for what? A tax cut? Blood has been spilled in the Capitol during a democratic transition of power for the first time in living memory. It is extremely lucky ALL elected representatives of government excluding Trump escaped unharmed.

I hope it was worth it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Think of how many violent movies there are, horror stories, etc. I don't watch them because I think they're horrible, but they're there. I am sure these influence people. And I'm not a psychologist but I'm pretty sure they do.

I love them. I love dark comedies. The gore and grizzly gruesome deaths in Happy Tree Friends will have me laugh every time.
Real life violence, or portrayals of it, however, are very upsetting to me. That's because real is real amd fake is fake. Most people are capable of.understanding this. Amd wr just don't see this playing out in the world, where many countries have the violent media but lack the violence of America.
Thus violent media doesn't explain this.

 

[YoursTrue]

I love them. I love dark comedies. The gore and grizzly gruesome deaths in Happy Tree Friends will have me laugh every time.
Real life violence, or portrayals of it, however, are very upsetting to me. That's because real is real amd fake is fake. Most people are capable of.understanding this. Amd wr just don't see this playing out in the world, where many countries have the violent media but lack the violence of America.
Thus violent media doesn't explain this.

Yeah well...I am not a psychologist but I am guaranteeing you that children who grow up relishing violent movies with their families and video games and love playing with guns pretending to shoot people have it ingrained in their psyches to do such things. Yup. That's how it goes.

 

[YoursTrue]

I love them. I love dark comedies. The gore and grizzly gruesome deaths in Happy Tree Friends will have me laugh every time.
Real life violence, or portrayals of it, however, are very upsetting to me. That's because real is real amd fake is fake. Most people are capable of.understanding this. Amd wr just don't see this playing out in the world, where many countries have the violent media but lack the violence of America.
Thus violent media doesn't explain this.

Now why would people love such gore? Hmmm?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yeah well...I am not a psychologist but I am guaranteeing you that children who grow up relishing violent movies with their families and video games and love playing with guns pretending to shoot people have it ingrained in their psyches to do such things. Yup. That's how it goes.

Nope. There just isn't the data to support this claim.

Now why would people love such gore? Hmmm?

Never thought about it. But I know definitely I'm not the only one who enjoys fake violence but wants nothing to do woth real violence.

 

[Sunstone]

Yeah well...I am not a psychologist but I am guaranteeing you that children who grow up relishing violent movies with their families and video games and love playing with guns pretending to shoot people have it ingrained in their psyches to do such things. Yup. That's how it goes.

There are some studies -- a few -- that lend support to your claim there's a link between violent games and real life violence. You will be hard pressed to find even one of them, though. Several years ago a quite different study was done examining how well the studies linking games to violence were reported in the media. It found them to be significantly under-reported when compared to a selection of similarity controversial science stories. The authors speculated that people really don't want to hear of any downside to their games and the media outlets don't want to lose readers and viewers.

At any rate, so far as I can recall, there aren't that many studies to begin with. I myself can't say I know whether there's a meaningful link or not.

 

[YoursTrue]

There are some studies -- a few -- that lend support to your claim there's a link between violent games and real life violence. You will be hard pressed to find even one of them, though. Several years ago a quite different study was done examining how well the studies linking games to violence were reported in the media. It found them to be significantly under-reported when compared to a selection of similarity controversial science stories. The authors speculated that people really don't want to hear of any downside to their games and the media outlets don't want to lose readers and viewers.

At any rate, so far as I can recall, there aren't that many studies to begin with. I myself can't say I know whether there's a meaningful link or not.

Yes I recall what you are saying. But now the question is: why would people love to see such gore and violence even if they would not engage in it? Although some do. I mean it's like enjoying seeing a person throw himself off a bridge or cliff. Or worse, I won't even go into it. As far as studies go that you mention, it is similar to what they call peer reviewed science articles. The peer review is not without prejudice.

 

[Father Heathen]

Still plenty left on Facebook, spewing excuses, accusations, and conspiracy theories.
How did we get here? How did our society reach such a sizable portion of mouth-breathing, slack-jawed dopes?

 

[Father Heathen]

Yeah well...I am not a psychologist but I am guaranteeing you that children who grow up relishing violent movies with their families and video games and love playing with guns pretending to shoot people have it ingrained in their psyches to do such things. Yup. That's how it goes.

There are some studies -- a few -- that lend support to your claim there's a link between violent games and real life violence. You will be hard pressed to find even one of them, though. Several years ago a quite different study was done examining how well the studies linking games to violence were reported in the media. It found them to be significantly under-reported when compared to a selection of similarity controversial science stories. The authors speculated that people really don't want to hear of any downside to their games and the media outlets don't want to lose readers and viewers.

At any rate, so far as I can recall, there aren't that many studies to begin with. I myself can't say I know whether there's a meaningful link or not.

So then why don't most asian and European countries who play the exact same violent games see anything near our level of crime and violence?
It's because video games are used as a convenient, shiftless scapegoat.

 

[Heyo]

Me! Me!

Of course you do. Everything goes to plan in the Chinese scheme to destroy the US.