Does it bother you that it contradicts the bible's teaching on this subject of what form God is.
It doesn't contradict the Bible's teaching. I already explained that once. I'm not going to waste my time explaining it again.
Are you saying, Jesus is patterning his mortal existence after God's mortal existence.
I said we have no firm doctrine on what God was doing prior to "the beginning." Then I mentioned a possible interpretation of a single verse. You don't need to read anything into it that's not there.
Maybe he was showing his complete submission to God,as Jesus did give up glory to come to earth and humbled himself unto God as a man.
What do you think Jesus did by doing that, he therfore surrendered his position over to God and said he can therefore do nothing but what he sees his father doing.
Jesus is saying I don't do anything on my own ,but only my father's will.
That's entirely possible, which is why I pointed out that we have no official doctrine on the matter.
That's convenient grounds to build a doctrine on.
Why the sarcasm, roli? Have I done something that makes you feel justified in the wisecracks?
Are you saying every person in the world has heavenly parents, prior to salvation.
I am saying that before each of us was born, we existed as spirit beings in the presence of God, our Father in Heaven. We believe that He is literally the Father of our Spirits, and we also have a Mother in Heaven.
I mean to speculate about something as there being a female counterpart and then dismissing it as just something we have been given, but not able to discuss......
Why is that so problematic for you? We don't believe it is speculation. We believe it is revelation. If you don't know the difference between the two words, I would be happy to tell you. We have been told that we have a Mother in Heaven. Period. The end. It's not as if we are refusing to discuss something we have a wealth of information on. If we were to try to tell you anything more about her... well,
that would be speculating.
The fact is a whole doctrine has arrived from that, regarding Jesus and Lucifer being brothers and us all being spiritual brothers and sisters before time.
I can't decide if you really don't get it or if you're just trying to be argumentative. We have not arrived at our doctrines through creatively manipulating the scriptures to mean what we want them to mean. Everything we teach and believe has been given to us, though a living prophet, by revelation from God. Now you don't have to believe they're true, but I would think that by now, you would at least be able to understand that much.
I guess that is those extra revelations that are only privy to the Mormons.
They are actually privy to anyone who wants to believe them. Again, I can't recall having said, "Neener, neener, neener! I know a secret doctrine, and I won't tell you!"
Then how the spirit children, you must have an idea.
Why must I have an idea, roli? I'm sorry to disappoint you, but
I don't have any idea how God created our spirits. If God created our spirits, whether He did so long, long before we were born, at the moment we were conceived, at some point during our mother's pregnancy or at the instant of our birth, why in Heaven's name does it matter
how this was accomplished? The Bible
does say that He is the Father of our spirits, and it
does say that we are His offspring. You believe the Bible; how about you fill me in on the details.
Are you saying there has never been any teaching on this subject in your history.
Not that I am aware of.
Jesus had spirit siblings......where is that in scripture.
Romans 8:29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."
What is "Heaven's spirit children", could you explain.
I wasn't referring to "Heaven's spirit children." I was referring to the spirit children/offspring of God, who is our Father in Heaven. I don't know what other Christians believe the phrase "Father in Heaven" to mean. We believe that God is the Father of our spirits, and that we lived in Heaven (in spirit form) with Him prior to our births. Therefore, we are His spirit children.
Men in the beginning walked with God ,had communion and fellowship with God, they were in relationship with God after he made man.
Yes, Adam and Eve did -- prior to being cast out of Eden.
Why would scripture not speak of man already being created but describe man being created from the dust and the spirit of God being breathed into him and him becoming a living soul.
We believe there are several instances in the Bible where man's pre-existance is alluded to. There are also early Christian writings that imply that this doctrine was taught anciently. There is nowhere in the Bible, though, where we can read the words, "God created our spirits before we were born." Since there isn't, I don't think you will be persuaded to believe it.
Lucifer as well was a perfect creation ,at least according to scripture ,until iniquity was found in him
You're right; he was.
WOW!! I guess your not really interested in what the bible says about who Jesus was in the beginning and that there were no spirit children and what "firstborn" actually means.
I see. So it works like this... I don't share your interpretation of scripture, therefore I don't care what the Bible says? To each his own, but I hope you've had fun trying to impress me with your flippant remarks.
I guess your philosophy is you have the new revelation from LDS men, even though it contradicts scripture and certainly does not add to it
No, my philosophy is to receive new revelation from God, who speaks today through living prophets, just as He did anciently. It's my philosophy to believe anything God says and to accept the fact that it's not my place to tell Him to shut up. By the way, you still haven't proven that a single one of our doctrines contradicts scripture. All you've done is point out that we interpret scripture differently than you do, and we already knew that, didn't we?
