Yet you didn't show me the "posts" that supported your claims. If anything you realized you were wrong so to save your face you said this:
In all fairness, what you are not saying is that your view is a distinctly minority view. Need I pull up the famous hadith about killing one who leaves Islam? I have actually had some Muslims explain that it is a form of mercy killing, a pre-emtive strike, if you will, lest the apostate commit offenses while in living in error or life outside Islam.
You see Ymir I never defended the action of Muslims did i? You keep going in circle.
You are also ignoring the fact that many were called traitors for simply rejecting Islam. Again, you are only telling part of the story... the part that supports your viewpoint.
There is no story here, i was stating MY opinion which is derived from Islam, from Qur'anic verses. You might say other Muslims also say their opinion derive from Islam so which one to believe, right? Read the Qur'an Ymir. I know you are an athiest but read the Qur'an and decide for yourself if you are really interested in knowing the answer.
The issue here is not how some Muslims twist the definition of treason, the issue here is if killing of an apostate is Islamic or not? If Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) killed apostate? if the war with the apostates after the death of the Prophet (PBUH) was justified?
No, of late, most are given to using the pen and talking out in public.
Well how does pen and words equate physical force? In Qur'an it states clearly when war is justified, and that when we are met with physical force.
Ibn Warriq, Hirsi Ali and many others have very different views from the standard Muslim rhetoric and are forced to live in fear that some maniac is going to kill them simply for speaking out about something they feel passionately about. I don't think they actually want to harm Muslims, rather, I am under the impression that they want to help Muslims escape from their Antideluvian thinking. No surprisingly, many former Muslims who speak out against Islam are forced to employ large body guards to protect them from followers of the religion of peace.
And you just wasted your time summoning useless information. How is that relevant to my point?
Neither of these two is involved in armed conflict against Muslims and yet they receive death threats regularly. Evidently many Muslims do not share your viewpoint that the apostate should not be killed.
Is the topic here how many Muslims agree with me or what is the Islamic teaching? It is not down to opinions, it is down to what is written in Qur'an. I challenge anyone to find me one verse that support the killing of an apostate.
Well preying on Catholic priests isn't especially difficult, in my opinion, so their "reversion" is of little consequence to me.
You are missing the point here, when you have strong faith in something you will not find anything else difficult. Ahmed Dedat example was to show that Muslims are not afraid to debate publicly their faiths with other profound religious figures.
That sums up my views about Mr. Dedat fairly well.
Disinformation? Yup the usual replies
again Mr. Ridgeon opinion on Mr. Dedat is of no value to me. Let facts talk and the fact is Mr. Dedat was a subject expert matter and managed convery Islamic message to people of other faiths. This cannot be said about many others including Muslim scholars. He was one of a kind.
That is good to hear, I suppose, but sadly it is not a view expressed by the majority of your fellow Muslims, plain and simple.
Majority? Have you met the majority of Muslims? Now if you have said "saldy it is not a view expressed by many Muslims" i would've agreed but inserting "majority" make your post irrationale.
Notion rejected. Christians and Jews do not suffer from this consequence because they did not believe in Islam in the first place. You are mixing apples and oranges. Nice try though.
This is not my try, it is YOURS. You tried to twist this into Islam being the government and if they rejected Islam it means they betrayed the government. That was your logic. Well i just showed you the flaw in your logic because non-Muslim is a non-Muslim in other words ALL non-Muslims reject the "government". Beside, and i know you will keep dodging this fact, if we are supposed to kill apostate why isn't written in Qur'an, pure and simple?
I realize that, ProudMuslim, and so the Apostate is dealt with under Sharia Law. So simple.
I dont take lectures on Sharia Law from a non-Muslim, let alone an athiest. You and other athiests in the forum need to understand and grasp this information.
But therein lies a double-edged sword. How do you tell who is naughty and who is nice, but more importantly, who decides?
I have answered that question over and over, but it seems you find it hard to understand or maybe you just want me to join the anti-Islam propoganda and repeat the "behead the apostates is compliant with Sharia Law"!
Maybe if you answer the following question you will be able to understand the different between an apostate and a traitor. So hww do you know one is a terrorist or simply an extremist? and who decides?
