You know it's worse than hearing about it happening in the Middle East because i feel like it's on my doorstep and goes against everything my country stands for,i don't think it will happen here though,because we will not tollerate it.
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Apostates of Islam
- Thread starter England my lionheart
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This is so wrong
If a sane person who has reached puberty voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be punished.‏ In such a case, it is obligatory for the caliph (or his representative) to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does, it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed.
because it's oppression,this from
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights:
Article 18.
If a sane person who has reached puberty voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be punished.‏ In such a case, it is obligatory for the caliph (or his representative) to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does, it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed.
because it's oppression,this from
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights:
Article 18.
- Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance
Alla Prima
Well-Known Member
Are you saying that America's close ties to Israel denote a hostile foreign policy?
I am interested in the reply you get,if indeed any
ProudMuslim
Active Member
America's blind support to Israel's actions & policies with military, finance and even veto any UN resolution that includes a hint of condemning is Israel is INDEED hostile and disgusting.
Funny how Iran is considered in the "axis of evil' because it supports Hezbollah (who mainly fight back Israel's aggression). Funny how the victim became the villain and vice versa.
Well you got my reply
America's blind support to Israel's actions & policies with military, finance and even veto any UN resolution that includes a hint of condemning is Israel is INDEED hostile and disgusting.
Funny how Iran is considered in the "axis of evil' because it supports Hezbollah (who mainly fight back Israel's aggression). Funny how the victim became the villain and vice versa.
Well you got my reply
Thanks for the reply,i disagree with "Hezbollah (who mainly fight back Israels aggression)" part,i agree to some extent that it is wrong that America veto's some resolutions condemning Israel but there are many reasons for that.
ProudMuslim
Active Member
Well i am a firm believer in armed resistance against occupation. But i'm glad you are not one of those who claim America's relation with Israel is perfectly "normal".
kai
ragamuffin
just remind us all again what armed resistance Hezbollah is fighting? and while your at it have a look at this
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/islam/79649-question-muslims-about-apostasy.html
Quoteroud Muslim: Funny how Iran is considered in the "axis of evil' because it supports Hezbollah (who mainly fight back Israel's aggression). Funny how the victim became the villain and vice versa.
Hezbollah,a fine group of Nazi like non individuals,this is why we must support Israel because Israel is the last bastion of anything to do with freedom in the Middle East
This next part from the Army of Gods website,do you think they are simmilar to the Nazis,they have a list of Jewish People That Help Control the World,where in history have i heard this before? no Coconut for guessing,you can check out this and more on the Army of Gods website.
roud Muslim: Funny how Iran is considered in the "axis of evil' because it supports Hezbollah (who mainly fight back Israel's aggression). Funny how the victim became the villain and vice versa. Hezbollah,a fine group of Nazi like non individuals,this is why we must support Israel because Israel is the last bastion of anything to do with freedom in the Middle East
This next part from the Army of Gods website,do you think they are simmilar to the Nazis,they have a list of Jewish People That Help Control the World,where in history have i heard this before? no Coconut for guessing,you can check out this and more on the Army of Gods website.
ProudMuslim
Active Member
ProudMuslim
Active Member
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Hezbollah,a fine group of Nazi like non individuals,this is why we must support Israel because Israel is the last bastion of anything to do with freedom in the Middle East
This next part from the Army of Gods website,do you think they are simmilar to the Nazis,they have a list of Jewish People That Help Control the World,where in history have i heard this before? no Coconut for guessing,you can check out this and more on the Army of Gods website.
Except that Nazis killed 6 million Jews, displaced them and kicked them out of their countries.
Israel killed many Palestinians upon its establishment, occupies territories, displaced and kicked millions of them out of their countries and it still refuses to allow them back.
Hezbollah was established to resist Israel's incursion and later occupation of Southern Lebanon and it is known for its military targets. It didn't occupy, killed or displaced people from their land.
From this pattern, i dont think Hezbollah are the Nazis-like!
Except that Nazis killed 6 million Jews, displaced them and kicked them out of their countries.
Israel killed many Palestinians upon its establishment, occupies territories, displaced and kicked millions of them out of their countries and it still refuses to allow them back.
Hezbollah was established to resist Israel's incursion and later occupation of Southern Lebanon and it is known for its military targets. It didn't occupy, killed or displaced people from their land.
From this pattern, i dont think Hezbollah are the Nazis-like!
Of course not,why would you,they are just the type of neighbour state i would love.
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God!!!
It's amazing how some people are brainwashed like this!!
Purely out of curiosity,how much do you as a Muslim have in common with Hamas and Hezbollah,as for the cartoon it is satire,i know thats not in Islams volcabulary.
As for being brainwashed,theres no need,we can see what Hamas and Hezbollah stand for.
Mr Spinkles
Mr
"Land for peace" ... the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza was a tactical move which benefitted Israel, not the Palestinians. Gaza became the world's largest open-air prison and Israel continued to consolidate its illegal conquest of the West Bank, with more walls, checkpoints, settlements, and cantonization for the Palestinians there. The WB and Gaza were thus effectively divided, by Israel's decision. This division became more concrete when the U.S. and Israel funded Fatah party launched a coup against the democratically-elected Hamas party.
"Land for peace" .... the entire idea of "peace" is skewed by the balance of power. As long as there are no terrorist attacks on Israel, this is considered "peace" even though Palestinians are subjected to violence and hardship every day.
"Land for peace" .... the entire idea of "peace" is skewed by the balance of power. As long as there are no terrorist attacks on Israel, this is considered "peace" even though Palestinians are subjected to violence and hardship every day.
Alla Prima
Well-Known Member
I would think 'brainwashed' would be a requirement for membership into Islam. Brainwashed people pose no threat to their ideology.
ProudMuslim
Active Member
Of course not,why would you,they are just the type of neighbour state i would love.
LOL "but we gave you land for piece"
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ProudMuslim
Active Member
Purely out of curiosity,how much do you as a Muslim have in common with Hamas and Hezbollah,as for the cartoon it is satire,i know thats not in Islams volcabulary.
As for being brainwashed,theres no need,we can see what Hamas and Hezbollah stand for.
Yes we can see clearly what Hamas, Hezbollah and Israel stand for.
In Islam we have every right to defend what belong to us and those who seek refuge in us, all conducted within Islamic war ethics which is not entirely applied by some freedom fighters.
I don't want to get into politics but i just wanted to give a clear message to you that Hezbollah and Hamas are not Al Qaeda, never were and never will be. We know the US likes to lump them all together but that simply will not work. We know the cause and tactics of each fraction.
Finally i will add that i don't see the current situation as black and white. Although i believe establishing modern Israel is unjustified and a crime against humanity but the situation now got complicated.
kai
ragamuffin
you know as well as i do ,and if you dont then you should that Hezbollah considers the whole of Palestine from Egypt to Lebanon as "Occupied"
ProudMuslim
Active Member
You know as well as i do that Hezbollah did not exist for liberating Palestine. In fact Hezbollah never helped the Palestinians in any way.
But just so you almost ALL Arabs (Muslims, Christians, secular) consider the whole of Palestine is occupied. It's not a secret, that's why i posted the map chronology.