Apostates of Islam

[keithnurse]

is that all?

What do you mean by "Is that all?".

 

[.lava]

Are you threatening me?

no, i would not threat anyone.

you're weird.
very weird.

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[Alla Prima]

no, i would not threat anyone.

Of course not.

You just denigrate them.

 

[.lava]

Of course not.

You just denigrate them.

you lost me, you know. them who? denigrate how? when?! what makes you say these kind of weird stuff?

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[Alla Prima]

you lost me, you know. them who? denigrate how? when?! what makes you say these kind of weird stuff?

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If by weird you mean 'of extraordinary character' then I'll accept that.

 

[Gharib]

yes and we are fighting already but nobody is dying, right?

if an enemy of Islam uses words to fight against Allah, then we use words to fight back. in case they grab guns and kill Muslims, then Alla Prima should not expect Muslims to keep talking with them. because when it happens, it means words are over, it means war and in war, people die.

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yes Allah (swt) says to figh our enemies with the same amount of force, but we must not transsgress beyound that, he does not love transsgressors.

 

[Gharib]

Reading this thread and the statements by the Muslims on it makes me soooooo thankful that I am NOT a Muslim.

we are sooooooooooooooo very thankfull you are not one. Allah (swt) does not guide the wiiiiiiiiiiiiicked.

 

[Gharib]

So,if an Apostate is asked "why did you leave Islam" the Apostate must say "sorry i can't tell you" but if you read the Ahadith concerning Apostacy it may give a large clue.

i never said that an apostate can not speak why they left islam, i said i do not know about that.

 

[Gharib]

For them is is not a lie. This is what you fail to understand. Islam wants to control all our thoughts. This is the tyranny as well as the insecurity of Islam.

islam teaches people not o make false accusations, just because they think so.

islam says give clear evidence in what you are saying, but no one has done that yet, so a quiet mouth would be good.

By holding to such an idea, Islam will always be at war - and no wonder.

well as long as people like you are around who give fake smiles to people, yes we will be at war. your soul mission here in RF is to make islam look like a bad religion.

not like thats working though right, the muslims are doing that for islam.

i will repeat my words: WAKE UP ALLA PRIMA.

if you think i'm some mindless sheep that can't see past your little fake statements, you are still dreaming. so wake up, ok

 

[Gharib]

Are you threatening me?

is that the best exuse you have to get out of answering that statement?

 

[Gharib]

What do you mean by "Is that all?".

how good is your english? what i mean by is that all is "is that all".

 

[Gharib]

no, i would not threat anyone.

you're weird.
very weird.

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if it could only understand what you are saying. stuffed tedy bears don't understand such words.

 

[Gharib]

Of course not.

You just denigrate them.

so you made an exuse for the first post, then you come up with this lame statement.

it is you who is doing the denigration, take a good long look in the mirror.

note: a mirror is a shiny thing that humans use to see their reflection, like you would know what i'm talking about.

 

[Alla Prima]

is that the best exuse you have to get out of answering that statement?

What was the statement to which an answer was required?

 

[Alla Prima]

if it could only understand what you are saying. stuffed tedy bears don't understand such words.

It always come to this with Muslims I've spoken to. Debating is not something that comes easily to them. They always revert to insults.

 

[Alla Prima]

note: a mirror is a shiny thing that humans use to see their reflection, like you would know what i'm talking about.

So now I'm too stupid to know what a mirror is. What do you suppose it says of one who cannot debate without personally insulting their opponent?

 

[Alla Prima]

islam teaches people not o make false accusations, just because they think so.

We're talking about ex-Muslims. Islam denies them from speaking their mind/beliefs through threat of death(according to you). What people "think so" are what people believe. Islam (or you) have no business telling anyone what to believe or forbid them from verbally expressing it as long as they remain within the law of the country they reside in.

islam says give clear evidence in what you are saying, but no one has done that yet, so a quiet mouth would be good.

No - ex-Muslims will not be quiet nor will I.

well as long as people like you are around who give fake smiles to people, yes we will be at war. your soul mission here in RF is to make islam look like a bad religion.

No, my role is to cast a critical eye towards the teachings of Islam so Muslim comments will not go unchallenged.

not like thats working though right, the muslims are doing that for islam.

i will repeat my words: WAKE UP ALLA PRIMA.

if you think i'm some mindless sheep that can't see past your little fake statements, you are still dreaming. so wake up, ok

I think you mean go to sleep Alla Pima. No thanks. I've been asleep. Now I want others to wake up.

 

[Alla Prima]

thats not compulsion, that keeping people from telling lies about islam. they are literally enemies of islam, and we are obligated to figh against such people.

You know if telling lies about Islam is justification for fighting I would think Muslims would be beating themselves silly. Seriously.

(edit for spelling)

 

[England my lionheart]

This is article 18 (again) of the declaration of Human rights:
Article 18.

• Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

This is a sahih Hadith with continuous inaad:

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:
Narrated 'Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"


This is just an example,there are obviously more,each translation varies a little but the meaning is quite clear,re article 18 HR.
IMO the main problem is the Ahadith,the Quran is supposed to be the all singing,all dancing book from God why would you require the Ahadith which are the words and deeds of your Prophet to understand it.
There are Quran alone Muslims for good reason,the ahadith concerning Apostates is still taken very seriously and an Apostate would probably be disowned by their family at least,obviously we know what happens in Islamic states.
All this is the result of a majority of Muslims following the Hadeeth and Sunna to the absolute letter and many an Immam will openly tell you that when dealing with an Apostate they should be given the oppertunity to change back or face punishment which is death for a Man and life imprisonment for a Woman in Islamic States.
The Hadith of Muhammeds Marriage to Aisha is an example of how the Hadith,if taken literally,can set the precedent of Child Marriage which has been in the News recently,obviously Children of 8 years cannot Marry here but in some Islamic States it's nothing because they can point to the precedent.

 

[ProudMuslim]

I fear not your god nor his punishment.

And we fear not your words nor your lies. We know Islam will always survive and embraced by people of the "free world".