Apostates of Islam

[Alla Prima]

ahh don't we know what you wish for?!!

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My wish is that Islam respects all spiritual and non spiritual paths.

 

[Alla Prima]

what about an apostate?

you were a muslim but that din't make you a dog now did it.

Being a Muslim means being a slave. That is unacceptable. I'd rather be dead than a slave to your Allah.

and why are you avoiding my posts that mentione you leaving islam or being an ex-muslim?

Which ones?

 

[Alla Prima]

thousands of terrorists? where? there were maybe a dozen men involved in 9/11 now they are thousands?? since when? or are you calling any Muslim who defend their land terrorists?

nothing you say comes from Qur'an and maybe ten times i explained there are fake hadiths. and yes, masses are manipulated by maybe a thousand people who's willing to follow hadiths without questioning if they match with Qur'an or not. what are you? some kind of machine or robot that replies? don't you have a tiny piece of memory? do you even read our replies?

I'm afraid it is you who do not read my comments or your own apparently. You said thousands I didn't. LOL

 

[Alla Prima]

did Alla Prima say s'he was a Muslim? i really doubt that. Kodanshi claims to be one but sincerely i am unsure if he was a Muslim before since he does not even know what Islam is.


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I've never been a Muslim nor would I ever be a Muslim.

 

[Gharib]

Being a Muslim means being a slave. That is unacceptable.

so aren't you a slave to the very laws and president of your country?

I'd rather be dead than a slave to your Allah.

or you would rather choose hell than heaven if Allah (swt) was the being at the other side, is that what you are saying?

Which ones?

all of them, in both threads, this and the other one.

straight forward question, you are an ex-muslim right?

you are i know you are.

 

[Gharib]

I've never been a Muslim nor would I ever be a Muslim.

oh sure.

you were so why deny that.

se this proves that you have so much hatred for islam that you even denie the simple fact that you are an ex-muslim.

 

[Alla Prima]

so aren't you a slave to the very laws and president of your country?

No. I can vote him out of office and I can openly criticize his policies.

or you would rather choose hell than heaven if Allah (swt) was the being at the other side, is that what you are saying?

Just because I would never want your Allah's heaven doesn't mean I'd live in Hell. That is your perverted view not mine.

all of them, in both threads, this and the other one.

straight forward question, you are an ex-muslim right?

you are i know you are.

I have never nor would I ever be a Muslim.

 

[Alla Prima]

oh sure.

you were so why deny that.

se this proves that you have so much hatred for islam that you even denie the simple fact that you are an ex-muslim.

Here speaks the essence of the Muslim mentality.

 

[Gharib]

No. I can vote him out of office and I can openly criticize his policies.

yeah but the laws are still there, and worst of all there are times when you didn't like that particular candidate and yet you are forced to obey his laws because he has been chosen as president.

what a wonderfull life, better than willingly choosing to be a slave to Allah.

Just because I would never want your Allah's heaven doesn't mean I'd live in Hell. That is your perverted view not mine.

it is mine thats why i asked what your view was on it.

so you do not like to worship Allah (swt) but the again you would take his offerings, is that correct?

workers are not rewarded with their wages if they do not work fo it. did you know that?

I have never nor would I ever be a Muslim.

so now you are lying not only to me, who by the way can see very clearly from your way of statements and posts that you are an ex-muslim, but also to yourself who very clearly knows that you are an ex-muslim.

i would not call you that if i wasn't sure on it. i do not accuse people of falsewhood.

 

[Gharib]

Here speaks the essence of the Muslim mentality.

what is it saying?

can i know?

 

[Gharib]

did Alla Prima say s'he was a Muslim?

no she hasn't said it but i picked it up a while back when we first met at the thread "islam, how much do you really know about it". i thinks thats te first thread that we spoke to each other. thats from where i know she is an ex-muslim.

i really doubt that.

no, she really is. i would not call her that if i wasn't 100% sure. i don't accuse people of falsewhood.

Kodanshi claims to be one but sincerely i am unsure if he was a Muslim before since he does not even know what Islam is.

exactly, just like Alla Prima doesn't, they become very different people, well they hate islam so thats why they try not to remember anything.

 

[Gharib]

eselam if I have misrepresented your view I apologize.

no need to apologise, i probably am confused as to which are my words and which are not.

However, you have clearly said a number of times that the punishment for an apostate who tries to "disprove" Islam, or "spread falsehoods" about Islam, is death (see below).

yes i have siad that, the following being the reason:

if a muslim with a rank or post (such as an imam or scholar) becomes a non muslim, he has the power to also convert all the other muslims who have a weak belief. there are many muslims who have a weak belief.

so this man is good with words and good at deceiving, and the less believeing muslims will actually think he is right about islam (the accusations) simply because he has studied more than them and so they think that he finally came across something that they (the weak believers) could not, due to not having the required knowledge of islam.

and not only is he leading astray the weak muslim believers, but he would also be preventing non-muslims from joining islam. again he would be responsible for leading people astray just because he thinks islam if false.

i will get to the rest tomorrow, to much to reply to for now.

 

[keithnurse]

It is absolutely WRONG, WRONG, WRONG to put someone to death just for leaving any religion, including Islam. It doesn't matter if the person is knowledgeable about the religion and thus can influence other people. If a knowledgeable Muslim leaves the faith and starts teaching his beliefs and is attracting followers, the right thing for Muslims to do is NOT to put him to death but publicly teach their own ideas to attract people to Islam. If every religion on earth started executing it's knowledgeable members who leave the faith, the amount of blood shed would be unbelievable.

 

[England my lionheart]

There are some straight forward facts,Ahadith concerning Apostacy clearly state death to the Apostate.
The Ahadith from Bukari concerning Apostacy are Sahih with continuous Inaad and generally accepted throughout Islam.
People are put to death or imprisoned for Apostacy even now which is clearly in contradiction to "let there be no compulsion in religion" because if one were to change his her religion he/she would be punished in an Islamic country.
Many Muslims turn a blind eye to certain Ahadith because of the content,after all i have been told many times that to understand the Quran one must study the Ahadith and Sunna,oops slight problem,what does one do about the unsavoury Ahadith mmmmmm tricky one that because if one were to cherry pick the more acceptable Ahadith because it's felt that the unsavoury ones cannot be true even though they are Sahih then how can a general consensus be agreed on any Ahadith because all may be suspect to being false,oh well maybe it's easier to Cherry pick and hope nobody notices the unsavoury ones eh.

 

[.lava]

It is absolutely WRONG, WRONG, WRONG to put someone to death just for leaving any religion, including Islam. It doesn't matter if the person is knowledgeable about the religion and thus can influence other people. If a knowledgeable Muslim leaves the faith and starts teaching his beliefs and is attracting followers, the right thing for Muslims to do is NOT to put him to death but publicly teach their own ideas to attract people to Islam. If every religion on earth started executing it's knowledgeable members who leave the faith, the amount of blood shed would be unbelievable.

yes, it is wrong. everyone has right to use their free will. that's the purpose of this life. willingly and knowingly chosing religion would make people close to God. otherwise it is not religion, it is ideology.

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[.lava]

Many Muslims turn a blind eye to certain Ahadith because of the content,after all i have been told many times that to understand the Quran one must study the Ahadith and Sunna,oops slight problem,what does one do about the unsavoury Ahadith mmmmmm tricky one that because if one were to cherry pick the more acceptable Ahadith because it's felt that the unsavoury ones cannot be true even though they are Sahih then how can a general consensus be agreed on any Ahadith because all may be suspect to being false,oh well maybe it's easier to Cherry pick and hope nobody notices the unsavoury ones eh.

you know what, i really don't get you. this is very simple to understand. what we consider as word of God is written in Qur'an. Qur'an has to be the first and last source of Islam. we also follow sunnah and hadiths, yes, that is true. but the one that leads us is Qur'an. we believe there is nothing worng in Qur'an but there are fake hadiths. those hadiths would always contradict with verses of Qur'an. a verse would say killing someone is like killing all humanity but you'd come up and kill people with stoning. this is illogical and you do not need to be Muslim or non-Muslim to see contradiction there. these two can not be practiced under one belief. same goes with apostates or non-Muslims. verses says that even Prophet were not given permission to force people to chose Islam. dozens of verses tell about how shallow it would be to pretend to be a Muslim. Baqara 256 clearly says there should not be compulsion in religion. so Islamic shcolars can not see the contradiction? i am afraid and very sorry to say they do. we are not talking about one or two men here. if one man was wrong i would believe that but how many shcolars are there? all of them can not see? i can not believe it is possible. so you keep saying the same thing over and over again, thanks to you i keep saying the same things i said before. what do you expect to happen? what do you expect us to say? i mean it, i really want to know. would you prefer people like me to go away? should we disappear? would world become a better place if we (Muslims who protect rights of others) all die? would you have better relationships with Islam & Muslims if we stopped telling about how some hadith contradicts with true teachings of Qur'an and killing people for leaving Islam is wrong? tell me, my lionheart. what do you want? what's your effort for?


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[Fatihah]

It is absolutely WRONG, WRONG, WRONG to put someone to death just for leaving any religion, including Islam. It doesn't matter if the person is knowledgeable about the religion and thus can influence other people. If a knowledgeable Muslim leaves the faith and starts teaching his beliefs and is attracting followers, the right thing for Muslims to do is NOT to put him to death but publicly teach their own ideas to attract people to Islam. If every religion on earth started executing it's knowledgeable members who leave the faith, the amount of blood shed would be unbelievable.

Response: Why is the death penalty wrong for apostates? If someone tries to take away your life or does something to you which makes it difficult for you to live are you wrong for defending yourself from such threat even if it means death to the person?

 

[Breathe]

Response: Why is the death penalty wrong for apostates? If someone tries to take away your life or does something to you which makes it difficult for you to live are you wrong for defending yourself from such threat even if it means death to the person?

Leaving a religion =/= trying to take someone's life away OR making life difficult for you

 

[Fatihah]

Leaving a religion =/= trying to take someone's life away OR making life difficult for you

Response: Going to war by pretending to be a member of the opposing religion then leaving=/= trying to take someone's life away OR making life difficult for them.

 

[ProudMuslim]

you know what, i really don't get you. this is very simple to understand. what we consider as word of God is written in Qur'an. Qur'an has to be the first and last source of Islam. we also follow sunnah and hadiths, yes, that is true. but the one that leads us is Qur'an. we believe there is nothing worng in Qur'an but there are fake hadiths. those hadiths would always contradict with verses of Qur'an. a verse would say killing someone is like killing all humanity but you'd come up and kill people with stoning. this is illogical and you do not need to be Muslim or non-Muslim to see contradiction there. these two can not be practiced under one belief. same goes with apostates or non-Muslims. verses says that even Prophet were not given permission to force people to chose Islam. dozens of verses tell about how shallow it would be to pretend to be a Muslim. Baqara 256 clearly says there should not be compulsion in religion. so Islamic shcolars can not see the contradiction? i am afraid and very sorry to say they do. we are not talking about one or two men here. if one man was wrong i would believe that but how many shcolars are there? all of them can not see? i can not believe it is possible. so you keep saying the same thing over and over again, thanks to you i keep saying the same things i said before. what do you expect to happen? what do you expect us to say? i mean it, i really want to know. would you prefer people like me to go away? should we disappear? would world become a better place if we (Muslims who protect rights of others) all die? would you have better relationships with Islam & Muslims if we stopped telling about how some hadith contradicts with true teachings of Qur'an and killing people for leaving Islam is wrong? tell me, my lionheart. what do you want? what's your effort for?
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The fact that some uneducated Muslims who unknowingly support such made-up hadiths are doing Islamophobics a big fat favour. Just note the number of Islamophobics who side with any Muslim with intolerant/irrational reasoning and its not because they agree with him/her but because they want to hate and be scared of Islam, they want Islam to have all type of negative connotations and tainted image. It is uncanny to know why they keep refusing any effort by rational Muslims to reform the situation.​