Apostates of Islam

[.lava]

Either you're not reading my comments or you're willfully ignoring them to give free way for your false accusations. You hate my criticisms so much that you're blinded by this hate. I feed nothing. I criticize Islam and urge others to do likewise. Judge for themselves.

it is only you who's ignoring what we are saying. i have no problem with reality, matter of fact i do not even need you or anyone like you to know wrong doings of Muslims because like many others i was taught what's right.

And I know what happiness is. I'm Buddhist.

you know what hate is and by saying you're Buddhist you're only insulting Buddhist people.

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[Breathe]

1) An apostate leaves Islam because of ignorance of Islam or some confusion that leads him to think that his new religion or way is truer and better. Such a person will be willing to listen to the Muslims if they want to show him that he has made a mistake. The Muslims should treat him kindly and argue with him in the best possible way. (60:8, 16:125). But Muslims should be careful not to show him more kindness than they show to other Muslims, for, otherwise the apostate may be encouraged to stay an apostate

I wish this was the case in practise within so many Muslim countries. This would make converting from Islam a less...deadly experience.

 

[Alla Prima]

you know what hate is and by saying you're Buddhist you're only insulting Buddhist people.

The hate you project onto me is merely that - a projection. I don't hate you nor do I hate Muslims. You, I'm afraid, are lost in your ideology because you cannot even understand what I am saying. I know this because you continuously accuse me falsely claiming I hate Muslims. I speak not merely to you but to all those ignorant of the true nature of Islam.

 

[Kodanshi]

Though it’s still gravely insulting to an apostate the notion that they left because of some deficiency or lack of comprehension within themselves.

 

[Alla Prima]

Birds of the same feather flock together.

I'm proud to be of her flock. She is a courageous woman. A hero.

Nice try. My values and principles are thankfully based on Islamic teachings. That nutcase declared that Islam is her enemy, therefore i am her enemy and she wants me to be crushed.

Quit playing around.

Since Islam encourages and sanctions tyranny, misogyny, and domination over all religions then these must be your values.

 

[Alla Prima]

Though it’s still gravely insulting to an apostate the notion that they left because of some deficiency or lack of comprehension within themselves.

Good point. I think Islam is blind to anything non-Islam. It is the most supremely arrogant ideology I've ever encountered. It is so arrogant that it states all are born Islam. That is just stunning arrogance. It is a profound denial of anyone's spiritual mind and heart.

 

[.lava]

The hate you project onto me is merely that - a projection. I don't hate you nor do I hate Muslims. You, I'm afraid, are lost in your ideology because you cannot even understand what I am saying. I know this because you continuously accuse me falsely claiming I hate Muslims. I speak not merely to you but to all those ignorant of the true nature of Islam.

i understand you well enough. you are insulting and attacking all believers of Islam and Allah by calling both evil. you do not have right to do that. i did explain the true nature of Islam, so did some others, it was you who can not understand what we were saying because you are the one who's lost in some ideology of hatred. it is you who's projecting your own self onto Muslims as you expect Muslims to hate non-Muslims. it is you who continuously accuse our religion, our path, our holy book, our Rab Allah for what wrong doers did and do.


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[ProudMuslim]

Though it’s still gravely insulting to an apostate the notion that they left because of some deficiency or lack of comprehension within themselves.

By the same token isn't any reason given by an apostate of leaving the religion will be gravely insulting to the Muslims who believe Islam is flawless?

What i am trying to say that feeling of being offended in mutual and not limited to the apostate.

 

[Alla Prima]

I stand for not only the freedom to live one's spiritual heart but freedom from religious bigots who not only deny the spiritual hearts and minds of others but forcefully seek to replace them with their own - be it with words or deeds. Spirituality should, in my opinion, remain a private affair. Whenever religion ventures to far into the public arena it becomes a device for manipuation and oppression. It becomes evil in the sense that it places it's own needs and desires above any and all people to the point of jeopardizing people's lives. This is evil. Religion is man-made. There is not a shred of proof to the contrary. To claim in absolute terms that religion comes from 'God' is simply a device to oppress for one's own gain.

 

[Alla Prima]

By the same token isn't any reason given by an apostate of leaving the religion will be gravely insulting to the Muslims who believe Islam is flawless?

What i am trying to say that feeling of being offended in mutual and not limited to the apostate.

That is the cost of believing all are born Islam. Islam set itself up for insult. Islam did it not the apostates.

 

[ProudMuslim]

Good point. I think Islam is blind to anything non-Islam. It is the most supremely arrogant ideology I've ever encountered. It is so arrogant that it states all are born Islam. That is just stunning arrogance. It is a profound denial of anyone's spiritual mind and heart.

Funny i think that is a profound statement of honor. If Islam viewed every non-Muslim as "dogs in human forms", it will refuse to call them Muslims. The fact that in Islam everyone is considered a Muslim until he/she is raised in a different way is a testament of Islam's simplicity and respect.

And what kind of spiritual mind and heart does a baby born have?? I think this kind of mentality that promoted the notion of not all dead babies go to heaven unless they belong to certain group or were "introduced" to a religion!

 

[Alla Prima]

i understand you well enough. you are insulting and attacking all believers of Islam and Allah by calling both evil. you do not have right to do that.

This is in part why I believe Islam is not compatible with western freedoms. Here I/we DO have the right to determine whether or not an ideology is evil. That is my right. The freedom of speech. Islam denies this right.

 

[.lava]

I stand for not only the freedom to live one's spiritual heart but freedom from religious bigots who not only deny the spiritual hearts and minds of others but forcefully seek to replace them with their own - be it with words or deeds. Spirituality should, in my opinion, remain a private affair. Whenever religion ventures to far into the public arena it becomes a device for manipuation and oppression. It becomes evil in the sense that it places it's own needs and desires above any and all people to the point of jeopardizing people's lives. This is evil. Religion is man-made. There is not a shred of proof to the contrary. To claim in absolute terms that religion comes from 'God' is simply a device to oppress for one's own gain.

i used my free will to chose Islam and i am volunteer to be one and i am praying to die as one. noone has ever manipulated or oppressed me to chose what i chosed. i do not oppress or manipulate people either. everyone is free to believe whatever they believe. but you or anyone like you will not be the one who say the last word for Islam. we will not let that happen. Islam is our path and we will say the final word about it.

manipulation is in the nature of masses. even a swine flu manipulated people into fear. it is nature of crowds. masses are easily dragged one way to another.

HATRED IS EVIL! people who's serving hatred is serving evil with or without knowing but that is the truth. anyone Muslim or non-Muslims feed this hatred to reach their goal are great sinners. noone has right to play with lives of people, noone has right to target innocent people, noone has right to say it is OK to call someone elses path evil. you either distiguish between individual who commit crime and individual who stand against it. it is facism to generalize billions by highlighting actions of a few thousands.

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[Alla Prima]

it is facism to generalize billions by highlighting actions of a few thousands.

The actions of terrorists were my motivation. My understanding comes from the Koran and the Ahadith.

 

[Alla Prima]

Funny i think that is a profound statement of honor. If Islam viewed every non-Muslim as "dogs in human forms", it will refuse to call them Muslims. The fact that in Islam everyone is considered a Muslim until he/she is raised in a different way is a testament of Islam's simplicity and respect.

And what kind of spiritual mind and heart does a baby born have?? I think this kind of mentality that promoted the notion of not all dead babies go to heaven unless they belong to certain group or were "introduced" to a religion!

I would rather Islam consider me a dog than a Muslim.

 

[.lava]

The actions of terrorists were my motivation. My understanding comes from the Koran and the Ahadith.

thousands of terrorists? where? there were maybe a dozen men involved in 9/11 now they are thousands?? since when? or are you calling any Muslim who defend their land terrorists?

nothing you say comes from Qur'an and maybe ten times i explained there are fake hadiths. and yes, masses are manipulated by maybe a thousand people who's willing to follow hadiths without questioning if they match with Qur'an or not. what are you? some kind of machine or robot that replies? don't you have a tiny piece of memory? do you even read our replies?

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[.lava]

I would rather Islam consider me a dog than a Muslim.

ahh don't we know what you wish for?!!

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[Gharib]

The actions of terrorists were my motivation. My understanding comes from the Koran and the Ahadith.

your understanding is nowhere near enough what the quran and hadith are about.

 

[Gharib]

I would rather Islam consider me a dog than a Muslim.

what about an apostate?

you were a muslim but that din't make you a dog now did it.

and why are you avoiding my posts that mentione you leaving islam or being an ex-muslim?

 

[.lava]

what about an apostate?

you were a muslim but that din't make you a dog now did it.

and why are you avoiding my posts that mentione you leaving islam or being an ex-muslim?

did Alla Prima say s'he was a Muslim? i really doubt that. Kodanshi claims to be one but sincerely i am unsure if he was a Muslim before since he does not even know what Islam is.


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