Ah, see my post.
will do.
I think you don't put enough hope in humanity.
And what, pray tell, is wrong with atheism. Why do you think religion is that unbelievable that they have to keep people in with violence?
no one is forced into religion.
but it isn't
1. We don't know for certain Islam is true. Buddhism, Hinduism, Mormonism, hey, even Asatru or Wicca could be the "only true path". You may believe you have proof for it, but that proof is not enough to convert the whole world, thus, you don't have proof, but faith.
the whole world is not meant to be muslim, Allah says; Allah does not guide the wicked" and the best example for that is Abu Lahab and his wife, the uncle of Muhammed (saws) after whom a chapter of the quran is dedicated, saying that he will die as a non muslim, 10 years prior to his death. an if god did not close his heart, he could have dissproved islam with the following simple words " i am a muslim, or la ilah ha ilallah" then islam would have not been here today if he had said that when the chapter was revealed.
2. God can punish people without human need. God is great, after all.
but god is the master, so the slave ussualy does some work for master if the master tells him to. god could also not have chosen a prophet and just send the book down to us from the sky, he is great right?
I understand the comparison, but I disagree. What if there is no such thing as hell?
well what if there is?
I find such an idea insulting to God, and killing someone who leaves Islam because they "might" tell other people about their faith is insulting to God.
well insulting god infront of ohers is much more insulting to god.
how do you know that god is insulted by such an idea anyway?
Not everyone leaves a religion or "plays" in a religion. In fact, almost nobody "plays" in a religion. People should be free to decide, after all, God has given free will.
yeah and he has aslo given us a brain to think and study and analyse, so if someone wanted to know islam they can study it and live amongs the muslims, but they do not need to declare the shahada and then to try islam and change their mind after the 30 day expiry period, that stuff does not work in religion, religion is not a game, life is not a game.
Some faiths do not "work out" for people because they have disagreements with them.
so if there are dissagreements or contradictions then clearly that religion is not true. and in islam there are no contradictions.
So you'd be more than happy for Muslims to be killed because they left X to become Muslim?
i would not be happy about it, but thats the religion they chose.
I know, and this is what killing someone who leaves Islam is.
i don't what you are reffering to here, i will read my statement to which you have responded to.
Compulsion = forcefulness.
In Islam, it is forbidden to force someone into the faith. Within this same sentence, it's easy to understand it's forbidden to keep someone in it against their will.
yes you are right, that is not allowed in islam. so before i come to a conclussion about the meaning of the verse, i have to do my research on it.
Thus we can work out, this hadith is fabricated, because of the verse in the Qur'an where there is no compulsion in religion, and considering that free will exists in Islam, killing someone for leaving Islam should be considered both an act of shirk and in fact, also a version apostasy - ignoring the words of God and taking them into one's own hands, instead of trusting in God.
what if the hadith is real and only applies to hypocrites (people who anounce they are muslims only to defame islam and then become an apostate), how do you know that it is not reffering to these people only but all the apostates?
That Muhammad never sinned or made a mistake. I've heard that some verses of the Qur'an recall Allah forgiving Muhammad's mistakes, though I can't recall if this is true or not. Please find out for me?
no actually Allah (swt) tells him not to make unallowed that wich Allah has made allowed or why do you not do something that Allah (swt) has given permission to be done. it's something like that, but Muhammed (saws) is never mentioned in the quran or the hadith as amking any mistake.
i do not know what it is about exactly but it i sort of like that, but my wording isn't as in the quran, thats just how i remember it.
