Arab/Israeli Conflict

[kai]

that is because hamas and people of Palestine do not agree to give up their country. they have gaza , if you think they can have all israel , there is no point in further conversation

i donot trust wikipedia. donot even make me start about Oslo either. Norway is one the greatest GUN SELLER on earth. they make money out of wars in entire globe. then they make conversations of peace.
as i said before, peace for Palestine is free Palestine. peace for Israel is taken over entire region. therefor bloodshed wouldnot stop. they dont want entire region what are you talking about?

there is boycott over Palestine because of Israel. Egypt takes a few million dollars to keep its borders closed. it is not easy to send there help. Arafat was in charge for a life time. people of Palestine calls him prince of theifs. cos he took all the money to himself. when he died there were millions in his bank account. now his wife lives in France. that is a shame and another subject. those are people who's bought by Israel. Hamas is the only one who couldnot be bought. and my friend, that is the problem.

hamas are already bought by the people who convince them thet they can win an unwinable fight and supply them with arms to fight it

 

[TashaN]

It would be insane for Israel to give up land which will certainly be used to attack them. Giving up strategic land and resources to one's enemy under the lure of peace is just stupid. I don't think that Israel will ever give up the Golan Heights, particularly when Hizbullah will only use it to give their rockets a better chance of killing their children... the same can be said for other occupied territories, just a different terrorist group will be using it to kill Israelis. The land given recently in the Gaza strip is a nice example of such betrayal.

They are talking about a compelete peace plan, which means that those people whom you call "terrorists" will stop firing rockets if they got their lands back. i thought that was obvious.

 

[TashaN]

great posts my friend , i am glad to see free speech alive and well in Israel , as you like to say change starts from within.

That's true, and i'm glad you like it.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

They are talking about a compelete peace plan, which means that those people whom you call "terrorists" will stop firing rockets if they got their lands back. i thought that was obvious.

For one thing, the people firing the rockets are not fighting for a portion of the land, but the whole thing. Giving these terrorists some land only beings the people firing the rockets closer so they can kill more people. We saw this when Israel forced their own people out of Gaza, we'd certainly see it with the Golan Heights (which, IMHO would be the single stupidest thing Israel could ever do), and we'll see it with whatever other land that Israel hands over to terrorists.

In any case, IMHO Israel should not give land during armed conflict. It is insane to bring people who are trying to kill you closer to you, and even worse to give strategic lands to a hostile enemy.

 

[TashaN]

For one thing, the people firing the rockets are not fighting for a portion of the land, but the whole thing.

I really don't understand whom do you mean. If you mean hizbullah so they are fighting for their own lebanese lands, not others.

Giving these terrorists some land only beings the people firing the rockets closer so they can kill more people. We saw this when Israel forced their own people out of Gaza, we'd certainly see it with the Golan Heights (which, IMHO would be the single stupidest thing Israel could ever do), and we'll see it with whatever other land that Israel hands over to terrorists.

Hmmm, i did hear of people accusing hamas and hizbullah of being terrorists but this is the first time i ever heard that all people in Lebanon and Palestine are terrorists. This is something new to me.

In any case, IMHO Israel should not give land during armed conflict. It is insane to bring people who are trying to kill you closer to you, and even worse to give strategic lands to a hostile enemy.

A_E, please read again what you have just said and think. Do you really believe that Israel will ever be in a non-armed conflict ever if she still colonizing these lands and stealing more and more.

You should read this first:
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...ics/63108-un-rights-body-condemns-israel.html

 

[credance]

The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned. In the absence of Islam, strife will be rife, oppression spreads, evil prevails and schisms and wars will break out.

It seems the Muslims have their answer to the problem.That is if the Israelis want to live under Islamic rule. Not everyone can see the harmony proposed by this solution.
Why can't followers of all religions coexist in security and safety under the wing of freedom of and from religion?
Must strife, oppression, and evil prevail to prove a point?

I ask a silly question. I wonder if I will get an answer?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Hmmm, i did hear of people accusing hamas and hizbullah of being terrorists but this is the first time i ever heard that all people in Lebanon and Palestine are terrorists. This is something new to me.

And you didn't hear it from me because that's not what I said. What I did attack is the false premise that giving people land will stop terrorist attacks...

They are talking about a compelete peace plan, which means that those people whom you call "terrorists" will stop firing rockets if they got their lands back.

... because the people firing the rockets will use the land given to simply kill more Israelis, because a portion of the land is not what they want, but the complete destruction of Israel.

Nowhere did I say that an entire people were terrorists, and reading me in that manner is intellectually dishonest.

 

[rhys]

... because the people firing the rockets will use the land given to simply kill more Israelis, because a portion of the land is not what they want, but the complete destruction of Israel.
quote]

The whole implication of zionist policy is the annihilation of all other people on earth, evidently. An utterly illegal land-grab must, it seems, be supported by more and more and more killing, forever, and there can never be any negotiation unless the oppressed accept every jot and tittle of the imperialists' racist fantasy, or be murdered. Since no-one will ever accept this nazi madness, what other aim have the zionists? Can they succeed, does anyone think?

 

[kai]

... because the people firing the rockets will use the land given to simply kill more Israelis, because a portion of the land is not what they want, but the complete destruction of Israel.
quote]

The whole implication of zionist policy is the annihilation of all other people on earth, evidently. An utterly illegal land-grab must, it seems, be supported by more and more and more killing, forever, and there can never be any negotiation unless the oppressed accept every jot and tittle of the imperialists' racist fantasy, or be murdered. Since no-one will ever accept this nazi madness, what other aim have the zionists? Can they succeed, does anyone think?

source please!

 

[rhys]

source please!

Of the Jordan? Of zionist racism? Of AIPAC domination? What is your meaning here?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

source please!

That would be the bull that produced the crap.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

The whole implication of zionist policy is the annihilation of all other people on earth, evidently. An utterly illegal land-grab must, it seems, be supported by more and more and more killing, forever, and there can never be any negotiation unless the oppressed accept every jot and tittle of the imperialists' racist fantasy, or be murdered. Since no-one will ever accept this nazi madness, what other aim have the zionists? Can they succeed, does anyone think?

You now have the record of saying the second and third stupidest things that I've ever read.

 

[TashaN]

It seems the Muslims have their answer to the problem.That is if the Israelis want to live under Islamic rule. Not everyone can see the harmony proposed by this solution.

Well, at least, it doesn't seem to work using the Israeli way as you can see.

Why can't followers of all religions coexist in security and safety under the wing of freedom of and from religion?

Must strife, oppression, and evil prevail to prove a point?

I ask a silly question. I wonder if I will get an answer?

Good question, and i agree with you that all should coexist in peace, but hey, we are not living in a perfect world. Each of them is saying it's either my way or the high way.

 

[TashaN]

And you didn't hear it from me because that's not what I said. What I did attack is the false premise that giving people land will stop terrorist attacks...

You think the people in Palestine or those whom you call terrorists are evil creatures who came from the moon to destroy life for no reason?

Please think for few seconds by putting aside your affiliation, of what those people are fighting for.

... because the people firing the rockets will use the land given to simply kill more Israelis, because a portion of the land is not what they want, but the complete destruction of Israel.

And why you think they want to destroy Israel?

Nowhere did I say that an entire people were terrorists, and reading me in that manner is intellectually dishonest.

It's equally dishonest in my opinion to generalize then sit back and wait for me to understand what you mean excatly when you say terrorists. You know well that what is generally accepted in America as terrorism might not be so in other parts of the world, if you know what i mean.

 

[TashaN]

The whole implication of zionist policy is the annihilation of all other people on earth, evidently. An utterly illegal land-grab must, it seems, be supported by more and more and more killing, forever, and there can never be any negotiation unless the oppressed accept every jot and tittle of the imperialists' racist fantasy, or be murdered. Since no-one will ever accept this nazi madness, what other aim have the zionists? Can they succeed, does anyone think?

True.

When Sharon joined Begin's government he had relatively little political experience. During this period, Sharon supported the Gush Emunim settlements movement and was viewed as the patron of the settlers' movement. He used his position to encourage the establishment of a network of Israeli settlements in the occupied territories to prevent the possibility of Palestinian Arabs' return of these territories. Sharon doubled the number of Jewish settlements on the West Bank and Gaza Strip during his tenure.

On his settlement policy, Sharon said while addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party: "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Judean) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." (Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.)

Ariel Sharon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[kai]

True.



Ariel Sharon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i have to agree with you Israels methods are questionable to say the least but where do we go from here . can the Palestinians have a truly independant state or does it depend on the total dismanteling of the state of Israel

 

[Michel07]

wake up and smell the coffee , vote for hamas is a vote for war, why does the palestinian authority depend on western aid and not arab aid, because the arab states want palestinians to wage their war for them. not so long ago there was no jordan or iraq either.

i suggest you look at this and you can thank hamas for not delivering peace

Oslo Accords - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think I'd have to agree with this . For 40 years the Palestinians had Arafat as leader and he constantly denied "israel's right to exist" and he blew a good chance under Ehud Barak but wouldn't keep his radicals in control. Maybe he was more worried about being the next Anwar Sadat than becoming the Father of Palestine.In any case I don't believe this is as much a Palestinian and Israeli issue as much (i'm afraid to say ) a Muslim and Jewish thing.At this point people should remember that the Jews have been there for thousands of years as a religion and they never left so going back to where they came from is a little silly. They were just reduced in numbers at times. No one has more right to be there than the Jews. That having been said I am a supporter of the two state solution as the only equitable solution. The Palestinians also have a right to a homeland and self determination. There are people on both sides of the issue who support this solution and I'm on their side. The others who don't want this will , I believe, be treated harshly by history.

 

[kai]

Talks between rival Palestinian factions Fatah and Hamas have collapsed, Palestinian Authority and Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas has said

BBC NEWS | World | Middle East | Palestinian rivals' talks 'fail'

 

[TashaN]

i have to agree with you Israels methods are questionable to say the least but where do we go from here . can the Palestinians have a truly independant state or does it depend on the total dismanteling of the state of Israel

If Israel is not offering anything for those people so the only solution is to think of the total distruction of this illegal occupation and nothing else.

 

[kai]

Middle East Peace Process Foreign & Commonwealth Office