Arab race older than Jew race .

[Pastek]

I have an opinion , Irahim/Abraham (pbuh) born Ishmeal (pbuh) from Hajar and Isaac (pbuh) from Sara

Ishmeal (pbuh) came first, then Isaac (pbuh) came . so the Arab race came first then the Jew ,

Salam

It is said that Ismael is the ancestor of arabs, but Abraham was not an arab nor Hajar, who was an egyptian.

A long time ago i've seen a video where the cheikh said that Ismael and Hajar lived in Saudi Arabia and that Ismael married an arab woman. Meaning arabs already existed.

In the Quran you have the prophete Salih who is supposed to be an arab. Some said it was the Shelah of the Bible.
It was long ago before Ismael.

You also have Houd who lived long ago before Ismael and it is said he was an arab. Some say Houd is the Heber of the Bible.

ʿĀd was an ancient Arab tribe and a district in South Arabia that was led by 'Ad ibn Kin'ad.
The ʿĀd tribe settled in an area to the East of the Qahtan tribe and established the Kingdom of ʿĀd in South Arabia sometime between 10th century BC and 3rd century AD.

The 'Adid are mentioned in the Qur'an as being the people to whom the Islamic prophet Hud (هود) was sent by Allah to guide them back to the righteous path of faith.

ʿĀd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So arabs already existed before Ismael.

You said that Isaac is a jew, but the Quran said that neither Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph and the Tribes were jews. Because Judaisme is a religion who came at Moses time.

But the Hebrews i think (maybe it's wrong) are originally the people of Abraham who lived in Mesopotamia, so they may be as old as the arab.

I don't think we can start with Ismael or Isaac to say who is the "older".

 

[Desert Snake]

This has been, without question, the most relevant, intelligent, and on-point post in this whole thread.

'On point', as in relevant to the OP/ ? okay...

 

[columbus]

I accept to discuss the other opinion with open mind .

But you ignored my questions. Why do Muslims expect Jews to provide peace when Muslims sold them Israel and attacked them afterwards? Why don't Muslims care enough about Palestinians enough to save them from the current reality which includes Israel?

Tom

 

[Godobeyer]

But you ignored my questions. Why do Muslims expect Jews to provide peace when Muslims sold them Israel and attacked them afterwards? Why don't Muslims care enough about Palestinians enough to save them from the current reality which includes Israel?

Tom

it's historic .
Accuatly the Jews came to Palestine under Britsh occupation , some Muslims accept them as victimes from Nazis , some others reject them .

Yes some Muslims buy Jews some lands or homes ,and the result some Jews destructed the Muslims homes especially in Alquds " and steal by force their land . so the blame on who first Muslims whom bought by trust .
I posted before , a reportage done by anti-zionists called Israel vs Israel .

most of reaction of some Muslims is because , Muslims feel they got fooled or abused .

Why dont Muslms care enough about Palestine !

maybe because most of the Muslims are buzy for their intern problems , or because the most rich countries are just toys in the hand of West (as kings of oil).

accuatly there is aid to Palestines people or goverment , and there is politic support to help Palestinans for creat their state but USA menance to use VETO against Palestinians state .

AIPAC through USA politcy made Palestians live in the Hell .

 

[Godobeyer]

Salam

It is said that Ismael is the ancestor of arabs, but Abraham was not an arab nor Hajar, who was an egyptian.

A long time ago i've seen a video where the cheikh said that Ismael and Hajar lived in Saudi Arabia and that Ismael married an arab woman. Meaning arabs already existed.

In the Quran you have the prophete Salih who is supposed to be an arab. Some said it was the Shelah of the Bible.
It was long ago before Ismael.

You also have Houd who lived long ago before Ismael and it is said he was an arab. Some say Houd is the Heber of the Bible.

ʿĀd was an ancient Arab tribe and a district in South Arabia that was led by 'Ad ibn Kin'ad.
The ʿĀd tribe settled in an area to the East of the Qahtan tribe and established the Kingdom of ʿĀd in South Arabia sometime between 10th century BC and 3rd century AD.

The 'Adid are mentioned in the Qur'an as being the people to whom the Islamic prophet Hud (هود) was sent by Allah to guide them back to the righteous path of faith.

ʿĀd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So arabs already existed before Ismael.

You said that Isaac is a jew, but the Quran said that neither Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph and the Tribes were jews. Because Judaisme is a religion who came at Moses time.

But the Hebrews i think (maybe it's wrong) are originally the people of Abraham who lived in Mesopotamia, so they may be as old as the arab.

I don't think we can start with Ismael or Isaac to say who is the "older".

salam sister .
thanks for your input

In my first post i used Isaac (pbuh) is father of Jews ,"origine of Jews" , not Isaac (pbuh) is first jew or jew , and Ishmeal (pbuh) is father of Arabs , that in commune historic view . that Arabs and Jews are cousins through son of Abraham (pbuh) ,Isaac(pbuh) and Ishmael(pbuh).


then i posted Christian or Jewish site claim Isaac (pbuh) is first Jew . that's made me confused .

then I found out that i misguide by that site .

 

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I totally agreed about "ignore announce"

 

[bretzter]

I find it surprising that nobody had mentioned Jacob and Esau,or any one of Jacobs 12
sons.
Neither Ishmael,nor Isaac were Arab or Jew,if anything Hebrew like Moses who came
after them both,or one of the 12 sons of Jacob that went down to Egypt before him.
In any case,if anything,one can say that both were either Isrealites or else Hebrews.
And Judah,the Lion son of Jacob,or King David was the first time I think Jews were
Jews.
Truth is,Jews and Arabs/Muslims,are indeed brothers.
And the first real Christians were actually,like Jesus himself,Jews.
And therefore the term Judeo-Christians.

 

[dantech]

I find it surprising that nobody had mentioned Jacob and Esau,or any one of Jacobs 12
sons.
Neither Ishmael,nor Isaac were Arab or Jew,if anything Hebrew like Moses who came
after them both,or one of the 12 sons of Jacob that went down to Egypt before him.
In any case,if anything,one can say that both were either Isrealites or else Hebrews.
And Judah,the Lion son of Jacob,or King David was the first time I think Jews were
Jews.
Truth is,Jews and Arabs/Muslims,are indeed brothers.
And the first real Christians were actually,like Jesus himself,Jews.
And therefore the term Judeo-Christians.

I don't care much for that term...

 

[Flankerl]

Judeo Christian? If only Christians had found their solidarity or at least apathy towards us before they did all the stuff they did.

Now after the Shoah its meaningless.

 

[Levite]

Judeo Christian? If only Christians had found their solidarity or at least apathy towards us before they did all the stuff they did.

Now after the Shoah its meaningless.

Pretty sure it was meaningless right around the time the apostate Paul came round and completed the transformation of Christianity into an entirely non-Jewish religion.

 

[metis]

Pretty sure it was meaningless right around the time the apostate Paul came round and completed the transformation of Christianity into an entirely non-Jewish religion.

Frankly, I do not believe that Paul did that by himself, especially with his past.

 

[Godobeyer]

I find it surprising that nobody had mentioned Jacob and Esau,or any one of Jacobs 12
sons.
Neither Ishmael,nor Isaac were Arab or Jew,if anything Hebrew like Moses who came
after them both,or one of the 12 sons of Jacob that went down to Egypt before him.
In any case,if anything,one can say that both were either Isrealites or else Hebrews.
And Judah,the Lion son of Jacob,or King David was the first time I think Jews were
Jews.
Truth is,Jews and Arabs/Muslims,are indeed brothers.
And the first real Christians were actually,like Jesus himself,Jews.
And therefore the term Judeo-Christians.

thanks for this post , i add this Christians ,Jews , Muslims are some are brothers in race/langauge and we almost share same belief and God

We ALL submission To same GOD by little different view