MochaRadha
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do they all believe sex shouldnt be enjoyable,that women should be submissive and can they pray to other besides vishnu
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are all vaishnavites conservative
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ratikala
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I think you could look at it a different way and say that sex shouldnt be irresponcible !
sex is natural within marriage, and should be lovingly enjoyed but with the awareness that ultimately it is for procreation rather than pleasure , you might call that conservative I might call it respect for the sacredness of life .
woman and man in a marraige are to support one another through spiritual life , everyone is submissive in some sence , if the woman is submissive to the man it is out of respect , but in turn both man and woman are submissive to their elders and so it goes on .ultimately all are submissive to the lord .
yes , depending on the occasion and the reason for prayer .
MochaRadha
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yes but is the man ever submissive to his wife
Wannabe Yogi
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Many parts of the Vaishnava faith are very attractive. I like their views on ahimsa (nonviolence) and their devotion to God. But yes they are known to be somewhat intolerant of the beliefs of others, at least for Hindu's. There is Good and Bad in any belief system.
Just like my sect, Tantra is seen as being impure by other Hindu's. There is some truth in this view also. At the same time it is harmful to stereo type.
Just like my sect, Tantra is seen as being impure by other Hindu's. There is some truth in this view also. At the same time it is harmful to stereo type.
MochaRadha
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sadly yes many american vaishnavites are isckon please tell me about vaishnavism in india.
Marble
Rolling Marble
I would love to, but I'm an European and I was never there.
MochaRadha
Member
ah ok lol. do u practice vaihnavism tho
Vaishnavism is large! The South Indian variety that includes the Tamil speaking Alvar saints, and pilgrimage places like Sri Rangam in Trichy, and Tirupati in Andhra will be quite different than ISKCON.
Certainly not all conservative.
The Swaminarayan sect is probably the largest non-ISKCON group of Vaishnavas outside India, and they are about 98% Indian in ethnicity.
In fact, I think ISKCON is fairly rare in India.
Certainly not all conservative.
The Swaminarayan sect is probably the largest non-ISKCON group of Vaishnavas outside India, and they are about 98% Indian in ethnicity.
In fact, I think ISKCON is fairly rare in India.
Marble
Rolling Marble
Yes, I think in India Vaishnavas just practise their religion besides doing tons of other things (work, family, friends, entertainment) - it's an integrated part of their lives.
While in the West, when you follow a religion that is different from the religion of the people around you, you tend to be more radical - and perhaps also more conservative.
MochaRadha
Member
cool but do all vaishnavite sects make men and women sit separatly
MochaRadha
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i was christian and ive heard hindu theology is pretty open to accepting non indian gods. but vishnu is the only god with avatars on earth
No... in many styles there is no congregational worship at all, its all individual ... I cannot underestimate the vastness of Hinduism
MochaRadha
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cool thats great to know
Wannabe Yogi
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With Hinduism the older the scripture the more open and tolerant it is on subjects like caste and sexism. Vaishnism in some of its modern forms is a recent development (Recent is kinda old because of the antiquity of Hinduism) as such it is a response to the Abrahamic conquerors of the Indian Subcontinent.
Hindu culture retracted and stagnated in its openness due to being a conquered people. The modern Vaishnava sects are a refection of this Hindu stagnation.
I was Christian also, but from my experience and learning, most Hindus are accepting of non-Hindu gods for non-Hindus. I think it's fine and proper for a Christian to worship Jesus, a Muslim to worship Allah, a Jew to worship Yahweh, and so on. I usually quote a verse from the Rig Veda that says "The truth is one, but the wise know it by many names". That is to say, there are many paths to the one God, but you follow the one that's right for you.
I can't say with any certainty that Vishnu is the only god who has incarnated, but I understand that Hanuman is an avatar of Shiva, for example.
This 'Hanuman is an avatar of Siva' thing is either a Vaisnava or a a Smarta concept, I'm not sure. Generally Saivites don't believe in avatara as a concept. So its not the same Siva I know. Still, if a person wants to believe anything, they can.
Of course within 'liberal' Hinduism (if there is such a thing), you can be a Vaishnava one day, and a Saiva the next. When I (as a Saiva) go to a Vaishnava temple, I just shut up is all. A lot of regular Hindus don't know the difference nor care.
MochaRadha
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so could a vaishnavite worship jesus
Marble
Rolling Marble
No. A Vaishnava to be a Vaishnava needs to worship Vishnu or an Avatar of Vishnu.
A Hindu however could worship Jesus as his Ishtadevata.