Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?

[ppp]

Likewise, all that you have to offer on this thread is your opinion.

That is just a variation on, "I know you are, but what am I?"

 

[Truthseeker]

You keep saying new world order, But everything that you're citing looks like the same old same old that we've had for most of human history.

No, this will possibly result in a new world order. There is an upheaval going on, who knows how it will end. I don't know if it will result in a new world order right now such as envisioned in the Baha'i Faith. But the old world order is being rolled up, and it has been rolling up for years.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Likewise, all that you have to offer on this thread is your opinion.

That is what we all do. That is what is done on forums. Your evidence is your own belief and you have not shown anything other than that.

No, this will possibly result in a new world order. .. I don't know if it will result in a new world order right now .. But the old world order is being rolled up, and it has been rolling up for years.

Even before that uneducated 19th Century Iranian was born. World is always changing. That is the way of the world. Change is the only constant.

 

[Truthseeker]

As it so happens, much of what makes a prophecy believable is also what makes it determinable.

Determinable or not, she is just asking about the possibility.

 

[ppp]

Determinable or not, she is just asking about the possibility.

How the heck am I supposed to know if it is possible? It may be impossible. Right?

 

[Aupmanyav]

.. she is just asking about the possibility.

Prophecies, at best, are guesses. The guesses are of two types: 1. A reasonable guess (as in science, Einstein mentioning bending of light rays because of mass), or 2. an unreasonable guess. The so-called prophecies that she mentions are too vague even to be analyzed.

 

[Truthseeker]

Precisely. Much like the changing of the world order.

True, but do you know where it will roll up to according to our faith? Investigate the Baha'i prophecies in more detail. @Trailblazer gave just a bare mention.

 

[Truthseeker]

is it? Isn't the whole idea of prophecy is that there is some mystic connection between the utterance of the words and what can be construed as a matching event occurring? Suppose a world government forms tomorrow. Is that prophecy or coincidence?

That's up for to determine if it happens.

 

[Aupmanyav]

.. according to our faith?

What evidence do you have to offer for them? What if your faith is nothing other than being completely absurd? Faith is not a substitute for truth.

 

[Truthseeker]

Civilizations have risen and fallen and ebbed and flowed for as long as humans have been around. That would be no great prediction for any student of history in the 19th century.



But they don't deal with the exact issues we're facing. They're vague. They say nothing about Russia or Ukraine, for example, at least not that I've seen thus far. And to the degree that the world is becoming globalized, it is doing so in a secular, not religious way.

Baha'u'llah didn't study history. He had very little education.

I wish @TransmutingSoul hadn't said that. Of course the very little prophecy introduced at the beginning of this thread says nothing about this exact situation, or any Baha'i prophecy.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Suppose a world government forms tomorrow.

Is there any reason to believe that? League of Nations and United Nations have proved to be utter failures. Even UK has left European Union and some have not even joined it.

I wish @TransmutingSoul hadn't said that. Of course the very little prophecy introduced at the beginning of this thread says nothing about this exact situation, or any Baha'i prophecy.

There. The topic and its 92 posts are just an exercise in futility, useless. Why do people create such silly topics?

 

[Truthseeker]

But this thread was not intended to be about what prophecies are believable. That is a can of worms because some people won't believe a clear prophecy when it is staring them right in the face, even if it is very specific. People will interpret prophecies to men what they want to believe or disbelieve. I am sure Baha'u'llah knew that so maybe that is why He never offered prophecies as proof of who He claimed to be.

Yes, Susan, and the reason Baha'u'llah did that because He respected people's free will. Listen to this @Left Coast.

 

[Truthseeker]

I do agree with you that when people are motivated to believe a prophecy or prophet, they will interpret even vague prophecies as somehow predicting very precise current world events. Happens all the time with Christians and the Bible.

This is about using your free will to investigate the Baha'i prophecies then using that same free will to see if there any possibility of them being true. Then if there's a possibility there, investigate Baha'u'llah's life, his teachings in some detail. I don't know if you've investigated any of that. If you don't investigate, you may be missing a great bounty.

 

[Truthseeker]

Cite one. A specific one.

@TransmutingSoul is a little off with that one. Shouldn't have used specific.

 

[firedragon]

Many prophecies incolving the rulers of the time, did unfold in the short term. The longer term prophecies have to be read with the further explanations of Abdul'baha and Shoghi Effendi.

They then offer enough detail for a clearer picture.

Regards Tony

Ive read somewhat. But I cant claim I have read and studied them all.

I find it very vague and it seems like one has to jump through a lot of hoops to paint around the bullet that is already shot.

 

[Truthseeker]

The principles of equity and justice according to whom?

Baha'u'llah, of course, but all Prophets have defined them as well.

 

[ppp]

Baha'u'llah, of course, but all Prophets have defined them as well.

All of what you call prophets have defined then in directly conflicting ways. That is why there are conflicting religions

 

[Aupmanyav]

Quotes from Heracleitus (c. 535 – c. 475 BCE, fl. 500 BCE):
"The mysteries practiced among men are unholy mysteries"
"a fool is excited by every word"
Fragments of Heraclitus - Wikisource, the free online library

 

[Truthseeker]

2. The defeat of Germany in two bloody wars, resulting in the 'lamentations of Berlin'.

Gary Matthews was a fallible human. It has been interpreted by the Guardian that the lamentations of Berlin was because of the unfair Versailles treaty after WW I.

William I, the pride-intoxicated newly-acclaimed conqueror of Napoleon III, admonished in the Kitáb-i-Aqdas and bidden to ponder the fate that had overtaken “one whose power transcended” his own, warned in that same Book, that the “lamentations of Berlin” would be raised and that the banks of the Rhine would be “covered with gore,” sustained two attempts on his life, and was succeeded by a son who died of a mortal disease, three months after his accession to the throne, bequeathing the throne to the arrogant, the headstrong and short-sighted William II. The pride of the new monarch precipitated his downfall. Revolution, swiftly and suddenly, broke out in his capital, communism reared its head in a number of cities; the princes of the German states abdicated, and he himself, fleeing ignominiously to Holland, was compelled to relinquish his right to the throne. The constitution of Weimar sealed the fate of the empire, whose birth had been so loudly proclaimed by his grandfather, and the terms of an oppressively severe treaty provoked “the lamentations” which, half a century before, had been ominously prophesied.
(God Passes By)
www.bahai.org/r/523077538

Just read that a week ago Friday.

 

[CG Didymus]

When one becomes informed of what was revealed by Baha'u'llah, Abdul'baha and Shoghi Effendi about the collapse of Old World Order as the New World Order is rolled our, there becomes no doubt that the prophecies are indeed unfolding.

Regards Tony

What are the prophecies about Russia invading Ukraine? And what is predicted to happen after that? Oh, anything about China or North Korea or Isis and the Taliban?