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Are Christians Persecuted In The United States?
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Popeyesays
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Yeah, that 80% of the country is terribly isolated. (?)
Popeyesays
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Actually the bible never mentions the continents of the Americas. It was not necessary for the age to do so.
Baha`i's believe the bab's declaration was the advent of a new day which fulfilled the prophecies of Islam and Christianity. That declaration was on May 23rd, 1844 AD, a little more than two hours after sunset, in the city of Shiraz.
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Scott
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Batting zero on its predictions so far.
d.n.irvin
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Truth Can Withstand Investigation
Popeyesays
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There was no Great Dissapointment in 1844. The Bab came to fill that purpose. That the Millerites did not recognize Him was a factor of many things, but largely they were ignorant of the event.
Christ came the first time shrouded in veils. He came the second time just the same.
There were others who recognized Him for what He was.
I would suggest you are reading a reference in Daniel that is not expressed directly. That is the business of interpreting the Book, but interpretation by humans can lead to misunderstanding as often as not.
The Millerites looked to the mountain in the new world. Other groups did not, like the German Templars who actually moved to Palestine and built their homes on the slopes of Mount Carmel. They were still waiting there when Baha`u'llah came to the mountain the year before His passing and pitched His tents just off the land owned by the Templars.
It took time for Baha`u'llah to be exiled to the area of Mount Carmel, and the Templars did not realize their time was not God's time.
regards,
Scott
Christ came the first time shrouded in veils. He came the second time just the same.
There were others who recognized Him for what He was.
I would suggest you are reading a reference in Daniel that is not expressed directly. That is the business of interpreting the Book, but interpretation by humans can lead to misunderstanding as often as not.
The Millerites looked to the mountain in the new world. Other groups did not, like the German Templars who actually moved to Palestine and built their homes on the slopes of Mount Carmel. They were still waiting there when Baha`u'llah came to the mountain the year before His passing and pitched His tents just off the land owned by the Templars.
It took time for Baha`u'llah to be exiled to the area of Mount Carmel, and the Templars did not realize their time was not God's time.
regards,
Scott
d.n.irvin
Active Member
Powerful Biblical quotes
Popeyesays
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I agree symbolically powerful Bible quotes.
The symbolism is quite clear to me.
The Trump is the blast on trumpet for the end of the world--which did end and restart without a hitch in the get along. The Qur'an is more detail it calls for blasts on the trumpet, the second following "close upon the first"--which was the Declaration of Baha`u'llah as the promised "He Whom God Will make Manifest" nineteen years after the Bab's announcement.
The bab was taken very seriously in Persia, so seriously that the Bab was publicly executed in 1859, just six years after His announcement.
The Bab's announcement was seen by all--the first mention of it in the European Press dates to 1845.
By the way in Arabic Baha`u'llah means "Glory of God", or "Glory of the Father".
Regards,
Scott
The symbolism is quite clear to me.
The Trump is the blast on trumpet for the end of the world--which did end and restart without a hitch in the get along. The Qur'an is more detail it calls for blasts on the trumpet, the second following "close upon the first"--which was the Declaration of Baha`u'llah as the promised "He Whom God Will make Manifest" nineteen years after the Bab's announcement.
The bab was taken very seriously in Persia, so seriously that the Bab was publicly executed in 1859, just six years after His announcement.
The Bab's announcement was seen by all--the first mention of it in the European Press dates to 1845.
By the way in Arabic Baha`u'llah means "Glory of God", or "Glory of the Father".
Regards,
Scott
d.n.irvin
Active Member
Popeyesays
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Yup! Metaphor is a wonderful tool for rational thought. The authors of the books of the Bible knew taht as well as you or I.
"We come to the explanation of the words of Bahá'u'lláh when He says: "O king! I was but a man like others, asleep upon My couch, when lo, the breezes of the All-Glorious were wafted over Me, and taught Me the knowledge of all that hath been. This thing is not from Me, but from One Who is Almighty and All-Knowing."[1] This is the state of manifestation: it is not sensible; it is an intellectual reality, exempt and freed from time, from past, present and future; it is an explanation, a simile, a metaphor and is not to be accepted literally; it is not a state that can be comprehended by man. Sleeping and waking is passing from one state to another. Sleeping is the condition of repose, and wakefulness is the condition of movement. Sleeping is the state of silence; wakefulness is the state of speech. Sleeping is the state of mystery; wakefulness is the state of manifestation.
[1 Extract from the letter to Násiri'd-Dín Sháh.]
For example, it is a Persian and Arabic expression to say that the earth was asleep, and the spring came, and it awoke; or the earth was dead, and the spring came, and it revived. These expressions are metaphors, allegories, mystic explanations in the world of signification.
Briefly, the Holy Manifestations have ever been, and ever will be, Luminous Realities; no change or variation 86 takes place in Their essence. Before declaring Their manifestation, They are silent and quiet like a sleeper, and after Their manifestation, They speak and are illuminated, like one who is awake."
(Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 85)
"In the universe of creation all phenomenal beings are as letters. Letters in themselves are meaningless and express nothing of thought or ideal -- as, for instance, a, b, etc. Likewise, all phenomenal beings are without independent meaning. But a word is composed of letters and has independent sense and meaning. 155 Therefore, as Christ conveyed the perfect meaning of divine reality and embodied independent significance, He was the Word. He was as the station of reality compared to the station of metaphor. There is no intrinsic meaning in the leaves of a book, but the thought they convey leads you to reflect upon reality. The reality of Jesus was the perfect meaning, the Christhood in Him which in the Holy Books is symbolized as the Word.
"The Word was with God." The Christhood means not the body of Jesus but the perfection of divine virtues manifest in Him. Therefore, it is written, "He is God." This does not imply separation from God, even as it is not possible to separate the rays of the sun from the sun. The reality of Christ was the embodiment of divine virtues and attributes of God. For in Divinity there is no duality. All adjectives, nouns and pronouns in that court of sanctity are one; there is neither multiplicity nor division. The intention of this explanation is to show that the Words of God have innumerable significances and mysteries of meanings -- each one a thousand and more."
(Abdu'l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 154)
Regards,
Scott
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Would you please cite the passage(s) that you believe predict this?
d.n.irvin
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Post #50 has a quote
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/921912-post50.html
The Bible Prophecy contained in the scriptures is found in Daniel 7 & Revelation 13
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
d.n.irvin
Active Member
I'm not quite sure I understand you
Booko
Deviled Hen
It could stand to have a little more evidence to investigate.
Slogans don't quite cut it.
Booko
Deviled Hen
I''d rather stick to the scripture, please.
A quote is just some fallible human's opinion, no more or less likely to be correct than my own, thanks.
Last I checked, the U.S. symbol was an eagle, not a dragon.
Maybe the Welsh have something to do with the prophecy...
Booko
Deviled Hen
Does "King of the Jews" sound like symbolism to you?
Booko
Deviled Hen
Please excuse me, irvin, but that's the sorriest hermeneutic I've read in years.
Please show me some passages that actually have something to do with America. At least a vague reference to "west" might maybe apply. But this just doesn't make it, sorry.