Are crystals magic?

[nnmartin]

Yes yes, but from what you said above, they are all identical.

They may seem identical to you , buy you say that you are an atheist so that is not surprising.

Most Atheists do not understand religion or spirituality.

 

[1137]

Natural forces are the ones we can understand through science.

Spiritual Power is more like the consciousness that connects all humans and living things together with God.

Earth Force is the is the agent through which God effects physical change in the Universe.

(I have written quite a lot about The Force in the Evolution v. Creation section here)

Alright. I am a deeply spiritual, non atheist. These are the same things. Spirituality is natural and nature is spiritual. Why divide them? The difference is the temporal and eternal.

 

[jarofthoughts]

of course the problem is that you are mixing science and crystal magic.

scientific properties have nothing to do with crystal power.

It is all Earth Force.

Some crystals have power and some don't - a lot is to do with how they relate to you personally.

The problem you seem to be having, good sir, is the failure to realize that everthing that affects the physical world, or as some of us call it, 'reality', is, in fact, a matter of science.
So, if your crystals have demonstrable effect, which I doubt, they are a matter of science. If they do not, then there is no such effect.
In short, if it is exists, it is a matter of science.
Simple.

Growing a salt crystal in a laboratory at school is not the same as a naturally occurring quartz crystal of suitable size, shape and power.

What, pray, is the defining difference?
I mean, I suppose you consider diamonds to be 'proper' crystals, and we can certainly make artifical diamonds, so that cannot be it.

Liquid, iron and arsenic crystals are not the same either. (they need to be solid, stone and non-poisonous)

Really.
I see.
Now the thick plottens.
Of course, I'm taking absolutely none of this seriously.
Crystal 'power' is utter nonsense, and there is no such thing as a crystal with 'positive' or 'negative' energy.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

There is way more science in this magic than there is magic, I'm afraid.

 

[nnmartin]

What, pray, is the defining difference?
I mean, I suppose you consider diamonds to be 'proper' crystals, and we can certainly make artifical diamonds, so that cannot be it.

The stone has to be natural so artificial diamonds do not count.

Usually they need to be of a reasonable size as well, so most diamonds would be too small.

Crystal 'power' is utter nonsense, and there is no such thing as a crystal with 'positive' or 'negative' energy.

I suggest you buy a nice crystal or two and use them , then you may get the magic. Hold one at night as you sleep and you may well dream about it.
It is surprisingly strange what these stones can do.

They have a magical type of energy, like a wild horse.

 

[jarofthoughts]

Sadly, it seems, wishful thinking is no substitute for reality.

 

[jarofthoughts]

The stone has to be natural so artificial diamonds do not count.

What if we make them so well that there is no distinguishing them from 'natural' crystals?

Usually they need to be of a reasonable size as well, so most diamonds would be too small.

Well, seeing as we can make them, we can pretty much make them as large as we want...

I suggest you buy a nice crystal or two and use them , then you may get the magic. Hold one at night as you sleep and you may well dream about.

So, dreams are magic too now? :sarcastic
Wow...
That sure was easy.

It is surprisingly strange what these stones can do.

I think you are going to have to be more specific.

They have a magical type of energy, like a wild horse.

Wild horses are magic also!?!
My goodness!
Next you'll be telling me that the old cheese in my fridge is magic as well! :areyoucra

 

[horizon_mj1]

Sadly, it seems, wishful thinking is no substitute for reality.

Really!? Different crystals don't conduct different energies?

 

[nnmartin]

What if we make them so well that there is no distinguishing them from 'natural' crystals?

you wouldn't get the same feeling from them - we may not be able to see the difference physically but we can feel it spiritually (for those that believe). They must be natural to work properley.

So, dreams are magic too now? :sarcastic
Wow...
That sure was easy.

The crystal can infuse magic into the dream.

Wild horses are magic also!?!
My goodness!
Next you'll be telling me that the old cheese in my fridge is magic as well! :areyoucra

Wild horses are magic in a symbolic sense.

 

[jarofthoughts]

Really!? Different crystals don't conduct different energies?

That, of course, depends on how you define 'energies' in this case.
Some crystals can certainly act as conductors of electrical energy, and some may contain what we call chemical energy, all depending on content and structure, but I think you will find that they have precious little of that mystical woo-energy that our wayward fellow 'nnmartin' is looking for.
In fact, I think a strong case can be made that such energy does not, in fact, exist at all.

In addition to the above, all things with mass can of course also be the bearers of kinetic energy and potential energy, not to mention atomic energy, but all of this is simple elementary school stuff, so I'm sure you already knew that.
It is, however, sad to see how often the school system fails those with limited cognitive capabilities, or perhaps, they were just too lazy to pay attention.
Let's hope we can catch some of them this time around at least.

 

[jarofthoughts]

you wouldn't get the same feeling from them - we may not be able to see the difference physically but we can feel it spiritually (for those that believe). They must be natural to work properley.
The crystal can infuse magic into the dream.
Wild horses are magic in a symbolic sense.

I see your difficulty here old chap.
It occured to me that the reason we are having problems getting to the bottom of all this, is that you have yet to provide any empirical evidence for the existence of magic, and I see now how that has been holding us back all along.
I'm sure that for a practiced and powerful wizard (Or do you prefer warlock? I am never sure what the politically correct term should be.) such as yourself this would seem unnecessary, but for us laypeople, I'm afraid you'll have to go into more detail.

So with that off my chest, I will let you get right to it; explaining to us lesser beings exactly how this works and what the evidence is that makes all of this so commonplace for someone of your intellect. I'm sure that this is thankless and dull undertaking for someone of your capacity, and it must all seem rather humdrum from where you are standing, but please, bear with us in this instance, since this whole 'magic' part of it is all rather new to us, or at least to me.

 

[nnmartin]

It is, however, sad to see how often the school system fails those with limited cognitive capabilities, or perhaps, they were just too lazy to pay attention.
Let's hope we can catch some of them this time around at least

you could say the same about many things.

A lot of people consider a church to be holy - will you convince them that it is just a pile of bricks though?

How about a Bible, Koran, crucifix, Pagan altar or Buddha statue - will they believe you when you tell them that they are only pieces of paper, metal or rock?

How do you know that your scientific theories are more correct that religion?

 

[nnmartin]

Perhaps you would like me to explain to you , using empirical evidence of course, the reasoning behind the belief in God as well.

 

[jarofthoughts]

you could say the same about many things.

A lot of people consider a church to be holy - will you convince them that it is just a pile of bricks though?

While I don't presume that they will instantly agree with me, the whole concept of something being 'holy' has always seemed to me little more than a round-about way of saying 'I think this or that is really important, and now that I've called it "holy", I have banned you from ever saying anything bad about it'. Which, of course, is pure and utter nonsense. The fact that whole groups of people think this way does nothing to enhance its meaning.

How about a Bible, Koran, crucifix, Pagan altar or Buddha statue - will they believe you when you tell them that they are only pieces of paper, metal or rock?

Same thing there mate.
Don't get me wrong; I can apprechiate the art of a sculpted statue or the poetry contained within a book, but that doesn't change the fact that they are still just things.

How do you know that your scientific theories are more correct that religion?

One is based on evidence.
The other is not.

I'll leave you to guess which is which.

 

[jarofthoughts]

Perhaps you would like me to explain to you , using empirical evidence of course, the reasoning behind the belief in God as well.

One thing at the time laddie.
Let's do this 'magic' thingie first and see how that goes shall we?

 

[nnmartin]

 

[nnmartin]

Crystal 'power' is utter nonsense, and there is no such thing as a crystal with 'positive' or 'negative' energy.

Belief is energy.

 

[jarofthoughts]

Belief is energy.

Only insofar as the electrochemical processes in your brain is energy.

Care to start providing evidence for that magic-thinge yet?

 

[nnmartin]

How about some magic wands to get started.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

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