Are crystals magic?

[jarofthoughts]

crytals do not dream themselves but they have the ability to enter ours and convey the mystical Force power to us. With a crystal our dreams have more focus as the stone is a conduit from the Earth to our thoughts due to its channeling properties.

What we learn through science is enabled through the intentions of the Force and its design at the beginning of the planet.

crystals are magic because they contain some of the Force's essence in condensed form - it can enter into us temporarily through the crystal if you believe in it.

Scientists, Atheists and Humanists can't benefit from this magic because their belief system diverts it away to others.

And you do, of course, have empirical evidence for all of this? :sarcastic

 

[Meow Mix]

And you do, of course, have empirical evidence for all of this? :sarcastic

Something tells me you will not get a response to any questions asking for substance on this matter

 

[nnmartin]

do you have magical evidence that explains your scientific theories?

Trying to use commonplace logic and science to get to heart of a religious or spiritual concept just doesn't work.

No scientific machine, device or method will ever be able to explain God/Force/Spirituality - science is just a tool given to us by God, like a toy given to a child.

Can you find out how a TV works by just by watching it for hours?

Of course not - this is how a crystal works.

If you are lucky you may get to watch a movie called 'how a tv works' though. With a crystal, if you are lucky you may get an explanation of this sort - but only the crystal can explain it to you esoterically through the Force , if you let it.

There are hidden forces out there that man cannot really understand, but at times he may get glimpses of the magic.

 

[1137]

crytals do not dream themselves but they have the ability to enter ours and convey the mystical Force power to us. With a crystal our dreams have more focus as the stone is a conduit from the Earth to our thoughts due to its channeling properties.

What we learn through science is enabled through the intentions of the Force and its design at the beginning of the planet.

crystals are magic because they contain some of the Force's essence in condensed form - it can enter into us temporarily through the crystal if you believe in it.

Scientists, Atheists and Humanists can't benefit from this magic because their belief system diverts it away to others.

No offense,

This sounds like an explanation of how lightsabers work....

 

[Tiberius]

Just because every stone has similar scientific properties to a crystal does not mean it is the same.

Similar and same are two different words.

And I never used the word "similar"

ALL rocks are crystals. Granite is a crystal. it is not like a crystal, it IS a crystal. It is the same.

crytals do not dream themselves but they have the ability to enter ours and convey the mystical Force power to us. With a crystal our dreams have more focus as the stone is a conduit from the Earth to our thoughts due to its channeling properties.

What we learn through science is enabled through the intentions of the Force and its design at the beginning of the planet.

crystals are magic because they contain some of the Force's essence in condensed form - it can enter into us temporarily through the crystal if you believe in it.

Scientists, Atheists and Humanists can't benefit from this magic because their belief system diverts it away to others.

Did Yoda or Obi-Wan teach you this? My X-Wing is stuck in a swamp. Can you get it out for me using this "Force" of which you speak? Can I test your blood to determine your midichlorian count? And given the existence of the force, can we ever really be sure that those weren't the droids we were looking for?

It's pure nonsense.

do you have magical evidence that explains your scientific theories?

There's no such thing as magic.

Trying to use commonplace logic and science to get to heart of a religious or spiritual concept just doesn't work.

There are no religious or spiritual concepts connected to crystals.

People only think there are.

No scientific machine, device or method will ever be able to explain God/Force/Spirituality - science is just a tool given to us by God, like a toy given to a child.

Since science is the best tool - the ONLY tool - we have to learn about the universe, what does it tell you when God remains hidden from that tool?

Either that he doesn't exist, or wishes to remain hidden.

Can you find out how a TV works by just by watching it for hours?

Of course not - this is how a crystal works.

If you are lucky you may get to watch a movie called 'how a tv works' though. With a crystal, if you are lucky you may get an explanation of this sort - but only the crystal can explain it to you esoterically through the Force , if you let it.

No, but I can conduct tests on the TV that will tell me how it works.

There are hidden forces out there that man cannot really understand, but at times he may get glimpses of the magic.

Then how is it that you seem to understand so well? Perhaps you are mistaken about them!

 

[nnmartin]

as for light sabers and Obi0ne Konobi etc.. it is really the word Force that you have an issue with.

if I were to change the word to Holy Spirit or Divine Energy I think you would be more accommodating.

semantics yet again.

 

[nnmartin]

ALL rocks are crystals. Granite is a crystal. it is not like a crystal, it IS a crystal. It is the same.

No, because different crystals have different properties.

What they look and feel like is important.

There's no such thing as magic.

People say there is no such thing as UFO's , I think they are wrong there too.
Magic in regards to tricks etc.. I agree, but there is Earth Magic or Spirituality if you prefer.

There are no religious or spiritual concepts connected to crystals.

People only think there are.

That reasoning would have to equally apply to The Bible and Koran then, in fact to all other aspects of all religions or spiritual beliefs.

Either that he doesn't exist, or wishes to remain hidden.

I've already said that God wishes to remain hidden.

 

[jarofthoughts]

do you have magical evidence that explains your scientific theories?

What the hell is 'magical evidence'?
Is it like 'stuff I just made up', because I can do that.

Trying to use commonplace logic and science to get to heart of a religious or spiritual concept just doesn't work.

Yes it does.
It's just that you don't like what 'the heart' of it is.

No scientific machine, device or method will ever be able to explain God/Force/Spirituality - science is just a tool given to us by God, like a toy given to a child.

Science is the best and most efficient tool we have for figuring out how the universe works. There is no such thing as God/Force/Spirituality as you have described them.

Can you find out how a TV works by just by watching it for hours?

Yes. Especially if you can take it apart and study it properly.

Of course not - this is how a crystal works.

See above.
And also, we have a very clear understanding of how crystals work.
Did you not pay ANY attention during your elementary school science classes?

If you are lucky you may get to watch a movie called 'how a tv works' though. With a crystal, if you are lucky you may get an explanation of this sort - but only the crystal can explain it to you esoterically through the Force , if you let it.

Nonsense.

There are hidden forces out there that man cannot really understand, but at times he may get glimpses of the magic.

There sure are a lot of things we don't understand yet, but to paraphrase Tim Minchin; Every mystery ever solved has turned out to be...not magic.

 

[1137]

as for light sabers and Obi0ne Konobi etc.. it is really the word Force that you have an issue with.

if I were to change the word to Holy Spirit or Divine Energy I think you would be more accommodating.

semantics yet again.

Actually the Jedi and Sith we're Taoists. Then the empire was more Christian. But this digresses.

 

[jarofthoughts]

Something tells me you will not get a response to any questions asking for substance on this matter

Strange how that is never forthcoming. :sarcastic

You'd think with all these people believing in strange 'forces' and 'magic' that some of them would have investigated this scientifically.
I mean it's just the best and most efficient way we have come up with to figure out how reality works.

Oh, right... Then they would have to accept that if they found nothing, that they might be wrong about this whole mystical and magical thingie...

Can't have that obviously!

 

[1137]

You'd think with all these people believing in strange 'forces' and 'magic' that some of them would have investigated this scientifically.
I mean it's just the best and most efficient way we have come up with to figure out how reality works.

Oh, right... Then they would have to accept that if they found nothing, that they might be wrong about this whole mystical and magical thingie...

Can't have that obviously!

Well, actually, science / psychology prove that magick works. It also proves that prayer works because it is magick. It is a psychological thing, not mystical, that uses the placebo affect and the power of the mind to change things. It does not come from energy or gods, but simple mental processes. It is the power of belief, in short.

This guy arguing that crystals have magickal powers specifically said this:

it can enter into us temporarily through the crystal if you believe in it.

You see, he does understand that it is purely psychological and not mystical, but he has not fully accepted that. Once he does, he will get even more accomplished.

 

[jarofthoughts]

Well, actually, science / psychology prove that magick works. It also proves that prayer works because it is magick. It is a psychological thing, not mystical, that uses the placebo affect and the power of the mind to change things. It does not come from energy or gods, but simple mental processes. It is the power of belief, in short.

This guy arguing that crystals have magickal powers specifically said this:

You see, he does understand that it is purely psychological and not mystical, but he has not fully accepted that. Once he does, he will get even more accomplished.

Oh, we know that the placebo effect exist, to the point that we routinely control for it when testing new medicines.

But that is the psychological effect known as placebo.

That's not magic.

And for someone who understands the psychological basis to call it magic is just overmystified nonsense that certain people use to sound important.

 

[1137]

Oh, we know that the placebo effect exist, to the point that we routinely control for it when testing new medicines.

But that is the psychological effect known as placebo.

That's not magic.

And for someone who understands the psychological basis to call it magic is just overmystified nonsense that certain people use to sound important.

No... Magick is more. Specifically the use of ritual, symbolism, etc to effect ones life. It's not just positive thinking, it's a specific practice. There is absolutely nothing mystical about it.

 

[jarofthoughts]

No... Magick is more. Specifically the use of ritual, symbolism, etc to effect ones life. It's not just positive thinking, it's a specific practice. There is absolutely nothing mystical about it.

Fine.
So it is a ritualistic method for attaining a psychological state.
Like meditation.

So why not just call it that?
Why all the flowery language?
Why all the silly mythology?


No matter.
The OP clearly meant the supernatural type of magic or force or spirit, or whatever he chooses to call it.
And for which he refuses to provide evidence (because there is none) and instead he runs from goalpost to goalpost, throwing up strawmen and fallacies along the way.

 

[1137]

Fine.
So it is a ritualistic method for attaining a psychological state.
Like meditation.

So why not just call it that?
Why all the flowery language?
Why all the silly mythology?

I don't know what flowery language you mean... But adding mythology is part of the symbolism. Whatever gods, creatures, etc aid a person should be used. Magick takes years of practice to perfect what works for an individual. And it is not meditation because, well, it isn't. Simar, yes. And meditation can be used in magick. Anyway...

No matter.
The OP clearly meant the supernatural type of magic or force or spirit, or whatever he chooses to call it.
And for which he refuses to provide evidence (because there is none) and instead he runs from goalpost to goalpost, throwing up strawmen and fallacies along the way.

He seems to unconsciously recognize it as psychological, as he said you must believe. I don't know why he's dancing around it. Give people like myself a bad name.

 

[jarofthoughts]

I don't know what flowery language you mean... But adding mythology is part of the symbolism. Whatever gods, creatures, etc aid a person should be used. Magick takes years of practice to perfect what works for an individual. And it is not meditation because, well, it isn't. Simar, yes. And meditation can be used in magick. Anyway...

Well, if it works for you, go right ahead.
I just don't see the need to call it 'magick' and why one would need gods and suchlike if they aren't meant to be real.
But, hey, each to his own I guess.
I'm just tired of overmystified nonsense spouted at me from some dork who read the Egyptian Book of the Dead too many times.
And I'm not talking about you here. You seem to have some grasp on what you're really doing, but I swear if I hear one more La Vey fan telling me how I just need to seek the mysteries of the ancients...
Sorry.
Ranting.

He seems to unconsciously recognize it as psychological, as he said you must believe. I don't know why he's dancing around it. Give people like myself a bad name.

Yeah...
See above.

 

[1137]

Well, if it works for you, go right ahead.
I just don't see the need to call it 'magick' and why one would need gods and suchlike if they aren't meant to be real.
But, hey, each to his own I guess.
I'm just tired of overmystified nonsense spouted at me from some dork who read the Egyptian Book of the Dead too many times.
And I'm not talking about you here. You seem to have some grasp on what you're really doing, but I swear if I hear one more La Vey fan telling me how I just need to seek the mysteries of the ancients...
Sorry.
Ranting.

Haha don't apologize. I know exactly what you mean.

 

[Iti oj]

Well, if it works for you, go right ahead.
I just don't see the need to call it 'magick' and why one would need gods and suchlike if they aren't meant to be real.
But, hey, each to his own I guess.
I'm just tired of overmystified nonsense spouted at me from some dork who read the Egyptian Book of the Dead too many times.
And I'm not talking about you here. You seem to have some grasp on what you're really doing, but I swear if I hear one more La Vey fan telling me how I just need to seek the mysteries of the ancients...
Sorry.
Ranting.



Yeah...
See above.

i thought atheist were just closed minded agnostics. you seem pretty open minded friend.

 

[jarofthoughts]

i thought atheist were just closed minded agnostics. you seem pretty open minded friend.

I just put the atheist label up to save time.
First and foremost I am an empiricist, which means that my view of reality is based on objective empirical and scientific evidence.
The fact that that also makes me an atheist is because there is no evidence that there is a god.

So, yeah, I'm pretty open minded.
All you have to do to convince me is provide said evidence and we're good.

 

[Iti oj]

I just put the atheist label up to save time.
First and foremost I am an empiricist, which means that my view of reality is based on objective empirical and scientific evidence.
The fact that that also makes me an atheist is because there is no evidence that there is a god.

So, yeah, I'm pretty open minded.
All you have to do to convince me is provide said evidence and we're good.

same page. i just mess around with psychological magic for the funz.
hmm lets change our title or what ever to empiricists?