Are crystals magic?

[nnmartin]

Prove it.

yawn

Oh, and if you take the Bible as just a bunch of stories written by people who thought crystals were magical, then their inclusion in the story becomes much clearer.

Being an atheist, how could you possibly know anything about events 5000 years ago?

 

[jarofthoughts]

Ezekiel28:13
You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared.


Why would the Lord bedeck his chosen cherub in such magical ornaments if they were only pieces of rock? The fact that God chose the stones makes them magical for eternity.

The story goes on to say that this cherub turned into Satan which is often why Christians have little love for crystals and the New Age movement - however this is also acknowledging the power within the crystal.

I suggest you read that chapter again (not just the verse) and don't forget the footnotes.

Oh, and just so we're clear, the Bible does NOT count as evidence.
You are presupposing that the Bible has any kind of scientific validity.
It doesn't.

 

[jarofthoughts]

its better to say to much then to never say what you need too. besides if i wasn't constantly saying stupid things then people wouldn't be correcting me and i wouldn't learn new things.

Ah, but that implies that you are open to being corrected.
That is not the case with everyone.

it seem a good number of magic users on this forum only use magic/terms/etc symbolical,

Some of them are clear that they are only talking symbolically.
Not all though.
And I still prefer the term 'psychological effect' over 'magic' because it is more accurate and not so open to misunderstanding.

 

[jarofthoughts]

Is that something you've seen much/any of on this forum?

Not a terrible lot, but there have been a few.
I've also encountered such people IRL, and they are no less annoying there.

Generally LHPers don't care much what others do in general,
nevermind telling them what they NEED to do, or seek or anything.

I wasn't specifically referring to LHP'ers.

I just can't see a "LaVey" 'fan' telling you any such thing at all really.
Seek the "mysteries of the ancients?"

I was picking a sentence at random.
As the post states, I was ranting.

Most "LaVey fans" are athiests.

Being an atheist doesn't mean one cannot believe weird stuff.
It also does not mean that one cannot be a moron.

Maybe telling you to get out of their face and go do your own thing,
in your own space......

I only have a problem with it when people make such claims in public.
What they do in the privacy of their own home is their own business.
But when they make claims about reality in public, they better be able to back those claims up.

I dunno. It seemed like such a bizarre comment,
I couldn't help comment on it.

PS-I'm no LaVey fan, so perhaps I've missed something.

No worries.
Like I said, it was just a rant.
Ignore it if you like.

 

[jarofthoughts]

A fear of the unknown is another way of saying that.

Projecting much?
Claiming supernatural causes for things is the ultimate cop-out.
It is the end of investigation and the end of seeking answers.
It means that you have given up.

If you can't prove it, then to you it must be false and up for ridicule.

Any claim about reality is a scientific claim.
That means that the claim is subject to scientific evidence.
If none is forthcoming, then we return to the Null Hypothesis, i.e. that the claim is false.
Simple.

No doubt you think anyone who believes in any religion is deluded.

The forum rules prevents me from answering that question.

There must be a lot of deluded people in your world - I guess it is your calling to put them right (note:sarcasm)

Let's put it this way: there are a lot of people in the world who are confused and ignorant about how the world works, and in certain areas I surely am one of them.
But seeing as the best way we have of figuring out how the world works is the Scientific Method, that is what I'm going by.
So far, that seems to work better than anything else we've tried.

 

[jarofthoughts]

Being an atheist, how could you possibly know anything about events 5000 years ago?

Let me put this in terms you might understand...
Once upon a time, in fact, over several centuries, a method was invented that would allow the people of the Earth to learn more about the world around them, and to a high degree of accuracy, determine what was true about reality. This method was called 'science' and it was a huge blessing upon the people of the world, helping them cure diseases, travel to the Moon and argue with less informed people without leaving their own living room.
This method called 'science' branched off into many different fields of inquiry, some dealing with the small things that everything is made up of, some dealing with the things we called 'alive', and some dealing with the planets and the stars.

One of these branches were called 'archaeology', and it dealt with finding out, through this method called 'science' what had happened in the time before.

And that is how we can know about events that took place 5000 years ago.
Being an atheist has nothing to do with it.

 

[Tiberius]

yawn

lol, you make me laugh. You make the claim that there is an Earth force, and yet provide no reason to accept it, and then you act like this when called out on it?

Fail. You have no evidence for any magic at all.

Being an atheist, how could you possibly know anything about events 5000 years ago?

What does being an atheist have to do with it?

If anything, it just means I am less likely to unquestioningly accept as fact a bunch of old fairy tales.

 

[nnmartin]

there must be some appeal to religion for the pair of you - nearly 4,000 posts later and you're still here.

I suspect you are probably 'seekers' in denial.

 

[Tiberius]

Yeah, you don't know anything about me, do you? What you think you know about me is worthless.

 

[jarofthoughts]

there must be some appeal to religion for the pair of you - nearly 4,000 posts later and you're still here.

I suspect you are probably 'seekers' in denial.

I suspect you have completely misunderstood the purpose of this forum.

Also, are you ready to admit that you have absolutely no evidence to support your claims, or do you feel like trying to desperately change the subject some more?

 

[Comet]

This may be a touch off-topic, but it will demonstrate a point about crystals. I work in a nuclear pharmacy and we use crystals EVERYDAY for medical/scientific purposes. Crystals do store energy and even the USA Federal Government mandates that we wear them while working. Our dosemitry is a small crystal in a plastic case. It STORES the radiation energy we are exposed to so the government can keep track of our exposure. I have even heard that the crystal skulls of fame were studied by IBM, and they said that they hold more information than all of todays computers combined.... Crystals do store energy/information/"history", my job attests to that.

 

[nnmartin]

But seeing as the best way we have of figuring out how the world works is the Scientific Method, that is what I'm going by.
So far, that seems to work better than anything else we've tried.

seems to - the key phrase here.

Ever wondered what made the laws of science?

 

[nnmartin]

Crystals do store energy/information/"history", my job attests to that.

interesting post - so if crystals can store radioactive and electrical energy who is to say they cannot store other types of energy as well.

energy of consciousness, energy of the Force - all equally possible.

 

[nnmartin]

This method called 'science' branched off into many different fields of inquiry, some dealing with the small things that everything is made up of, some dealing with the things we called 'alive', and some dealing with the planets and the stars.

One of these branches were called 'archaeology', and it dealt with finding out, through this method called 'science' what had happened in the time before.

that is not saying anything.

Physics, Biology, Astronomy and Archaeology do not prove or disprove the Garden of Eden or The Force any more than the Bible or the summer solstice over Stonehenge does.

Science just allows us to see the tip of the iceberg - the rest remains hidden for all time.

 

[Tiberius]

interesting post - so if crystals can store radioactive and electrical energy who is to say they cannot store other types of energy as well.

energy of consciousness, energy of the Force - all equally possible.

You can't even show that these forms of energy even EXIST.

Science just allows us to see the tip of the iceberg - the rest remains hidden for all time.

If the rest is hidden for all time, how do you even know about it? How have you verified it?

 

[Comet]

interesting post - so if crystals can store radioactive and electrical energy who is to say they cannot store other types of energy as well.

energy of consciousness, energy of the Force - all equally possible.

I do not deny that at all for I do not know, I attest to WHAT I DO KNOW! They do store energy and information.... I leave the rest to those of you who debate the OP... :yes:

 

[Meow Mix]

This may be a touch off-topic, but it will demonstrate a point about crystals. I work in a nuclear pharmacy and we use crystals EVERYDAY for medical/scientific purposes. Crystals do store energy and even the USA Federal Government mandates that we wear them while working. Our dosemitry is a small crystal in a plastic case. It STORES the radiation energy we are exposed to so the government can keep track of our exposure. I have even heard that the crystal skulls of fame were studied by IBM, and they said that they hold more information than all of todays computers combined.... Crystals do store energy/information/"history", my job attests to that.

Ok, can you demonstrate this beyond just saying so? I'm incredibly skeptical that pretty much anything you just said is true.

- What sort of crystal is it mandated by the US government that you "wear while working?" How is it worn?
- What other crystals do you use "every day" for medical purposes -- what sort of purposes, specifically; using the crystals in what manner, specifically?

- Where did you read that "crystal skulls" were studied by IBM and found to contain more information than all of today's computers combined? Did anyone verify this, was this published in peer-review?

 

[jarofthoughts]

seems to - the key phrase here.

Ever wondered what made the laws of science?

'Seems to', in this case, means, 'is the basis for all of modern society'.

 

[jarofthoughts]

that is not saying anything.

Yes it does.
It answers the direct question you asked.

Physics, Biology, Astronomy and Archaeology do not prove or disprove the Garden of Eden or The Force any more than the Bible or the summer solstice over Stonehenge does.

Irrelevant.
You asked a question.
You have been answered.

Science just allows us to see the tip of the iceberg - the rest remains hidden for all time.

Which would mean that those who study science have access to the tip at least, whereas you, who obviously have not studied science, have access to nothing.

Glad we agree.

 

[blackout]

Not a terrible lot, but there have been a few.
I've also encountered such people IRL, and they are no less annoying there.



I wasn't specifically referring to LHP'ers.



I was picking a sentence at random.
As the post states, I was ranting.



Being an atheist doesn't mean one cannot believe weird stuff.
It also does not mean that one cannot be a moron.



I only have a problem with it when people make such claims in public.
What they do in the privacy of their own home is their own business.
But when they make claims about reality in public, they better be able to back those claims up.



No worries.
Like I said, it was just a rant.
Ignore it if you like.

Well, it was a claim you made.... in (a) public (forum).

(and it didn't add up)