Are crystals magic?

[jarofthoughts]

You and Dr Sagan sound like a barrel of laughs.

I'm sure you were made for each other!

Perhaps send him an e-mail, maybe you two can get it together.

There is very little I can add to the responses made by Meow Mix and Tiberius above, and your reply to their attempt at educating you, I'm sad to say, reeks of disrespect and ignorance.

At this point I actually feel sorry for you.

 

[blackout]

my opinion? troll.

They come in so many colors.

 

[Revoltingest]

my opinion? troll.
They come in so many colors.

Not purple.

 

[nnmartin]

There is very little I can add to the responses made by Meow Mix and Tiberius above, and your reply to their attempt at educating you, I'm sad to say, reeks of disrespect and ignorance.

so the science teacher thinks he is still in the classroom I see...:sarcastic

As for Mr Tiberius I don't think anyone would want an education from him as he is too fond of animals.

 

[Iti oj]

so the science teacher thinks he is still in the classroom I see...:sarcastic

As for Mr Tiberius I don't think anyone would want an education from him as he is too fond of animals.

now your being silly and rude. ..they day we stop learning is the day we die....and if your not hear to learn/teach then you might as well leave... were not hear just to argue.... and just because you learn from some one does not mean you have to accept and believe what they say...... just know and understand it....

further more you will never ever post anything meaningful nor counter a single claim made if you refuse to understand some one else point of view especially when it comes to empirical science...

 

[Tiberius]

so the science teacher thinks he is still in the classroom I see...:sarcastic

As for Mr Tiberius I don't think anyone would want an education from him as he is too fond of animals.

Oh, and now you are attacking me! How deliciously infantile of you!

 

[Daviso452]

There is very little I can add to the responses made by Meow Mix and Tiberius above, and your reply to their attempt at educating you, I'm sad to say, reeks of disrespect and ignorance.

At this point I actually feel sorry for you.

Though I agree with you, I feel your response was a little off.

Using the term "reeks" implies an insult, and no matter how deserved it is, I ask you refrain from such things. When used in a debate, it can both downgrade how truthful or reasonable people view your words.

It can also make the person you are debating become unreasonable in their replies because they have become angered by the comment and their judgement becomes compromised.

I have seen and done this myself, and both outcomes have happened to me before.

Free speech is an important power, but to sound cliche, you must be responsible with that power.

 

[nnmartin]

and if your not hear to learn/teach then you might as well leave... were not hear just to argue

I haven't see anyone on this thread showing the slightest interest in learning anything spiritual about crystals - they have simply refuted the notion as absurd from the outset and demanded scientific proof ad nauseum.

Who can give me scientific proof for the existence of God, Allah, Atman, Earth Goddess, Shiva, Krishna, Jesus or Satan?

err.........hello.......this is a religious forum - therefore things like crystals may have meaning to some people.

further more you will never ever post anything meaningful nor counter a single claim made if you refuse to understand some one else point of view especially when it comes to empirical science...

do you really think any of the atheists here (and there are many) give two figs about crystals other than a scientific explanation - I hardly think so.

Talk about a one sided 'debate'.:sarcastic

 

[Storm]

I haven't see anyone on this thread showing the slightest interest in learning anything spiritual about crystals - they have simply refuted the notion as absurd from the outset and demanded scientific proof ad nauseum.

Who can give me scientific proof for the existence of God, Allah, Atman, Earth Goddess, Shiva, Krishna, Jesus or Satan?

err.........hello.......this is a religious forum - therefore things like crystals may have meaning to some people.

do you really think any of the atheists here (and there are many) give two figs about crystals other than a scientific explanation - I hardly think so.

Talk about a one sided 'debate'.:sarcastic

Perhaps you should have chosen a different subforum, then.

 

[Iti oj]

I haven't see anyone on this thread showing the slightest interest in learning anything spiritual about crystals - they have simply refuted the notion as absurd from the outset and demanded scientific proof ad nauseum.

Who can give me scientific proof for the existence of God, Allah, Atman, Earth Goddess, Shiva, Krishna, Jesus or Satan?

err.........hello.......this is a religious forum - therefore things like crystals may have meaning to some people.

do you really think any of the atheists here (and there are many) give two figs about crystals other than a scientific explanation - I hardly think so.

Talk about a one sided 'debate'.:sarcastic

ahhh but you ignored page upon page of "magicians" such as myself who work with crystals for "magical" purpose explain that the power of a crystal comes from ones own mind and that its power comes from symbolism..... you continued to ignore post after post poorly exerting your "god force" with out a shred of evidence or reason, forcing every one to explain the physical nature of crystals and how they have no hidden powers...
The claims you were making about crystals would be/are testable...finaly while never admiting that the "symbolic power" was true ended up using the same argument, "you need to believe," even if you could be right you refused to listen, learn, and understand what others were saying...... plain rude...

Even if you might have a point it was lost in your inability to listen and learn from others....and you were repetatvly told that the power is in the eye of the beholder...the emprisit/atheist did not show untill after you refused to listen to others......

Hell other atheist who do not work with crystals/magic admitted that working with them can have a psychological effect on the user..... While their may be no need to call it magic....

as for every one refusing to learn about the spiritual nature of stones.... well you never posted anything worth learning from nor explained anything....Also your ideas about the spiritual side of crystals do not conform to any other magical/spiritual claim about stones.... just you assertions... You also started this thread asking a question seeking an answer...instead of learning you argued the whole thread chaning your argument as the people debating with you changed....
Finally i am an atheist and i work with crystals... so i do not appreciate your false claim about atheist not caring....

ITS SYMBOLISM

 

[nnmartin]

Perhaps you should have chosen a different subforum, then.

I did try - no real interest down there unfortunately.

I think I am still talking to myself on that thread!

 

[Iti oj]

I did try - no real interest down there unfortunately.

I think I am still talking to myself on that thread!

is that the crystals and pyrimids thread?

 

[jarofthoughts]

Though I agree with you, I feel your response was a little off.

Using the term "reeks" implies an insult, and no matter how deserved it is, I ask you refrain from such things. When used in a debate, it can both downgrade how truthful or reasonable people view your words.

It can also make the person you are debating become unreasonable in their replies because they have become angered by the comment and their judgement becomes compromised.

I have seen and done this myself, and both outcomes have happened to me before.

Free speech is an important power, but to sound cliche, you must be responsible with that power.

Given the disrespect shown and the comparative arrogant lack of substantiation of the claims he made, I'd say the word 'reeks' was entirely accurate and fully justified.

 

[Iti oj]

Given the disrespect shown and the comparative arrogant lack of substantiation of the claims he made, I'd say the word 'reeks' was entirely accurate and fully justified.

its ok i defended your awesomness. and with out using mean words (i think) but he loged off with out replying

 

[Tiberius]

I haven't see anyone on this thread showing the slightest interest in learning anything spiritual about crystals - they have simply refuted the notion as absurd from the outset and demanded scientific proof ad nauseum.

Yeah, damn those crazy people who want evidence and proof, and refuse to accept things that have no support! What kind of crazy people would do that?

Who can give me scientific proof for the existence of God, Allah, Atman, Earth Goddess, Shiva, Krishna, Jesus or Satan?

Not me, that's why I'm an atheist.

err.........hello.......this is a religious forum - therefore things like crystals may have meaning to some people.

And that's fine. Crystals can have as much meaning for you as you want.

But if you start presenting your personal opinions as fact and then provide no evidence to support your opinions, then you don't get to cry foul when people start disagreeing with you.

do you really think any of the atheists here (and there are many) give two figs about crystals other than a scientific explanation - I hardly think so.

Do you have a problem with that? Do you think it is wrong to accept only that which can be tested, repeated and verified?

Talk about a one sided 'debate'.:sarcastic

And which side has the evidence?

 

[jarofthoughts]

so the science teacher thinks he is still in the classroom I see...:sarcastic

I never leave it, although it may come as a surprise to you that I generally learn as much as I teach there.
That's what happens when you actually listen to other people and are willing to learn. It has been made apparent in this tread (and others) that you have a somewhat lacking understanding of science and how it works. And when people try their best to help you understand more about it, this is the kind of tantrum you put up.

As for Mr Tiberius I don't think anyone would want an education from him as he is too fond of animals.

Exactly the kind of immature response I would have expected.

 

[jarofthoughts]

I haven't see anyone on this thread showing the slightest interest in learning anything spiritual about crystals - they have simply refuted the notion as absurd from the outset and demanded scientific proof ad nauseum.

I explained this to you earlier.
What you think about crystals as part of your personal opinion is up to you, but if you expect others to accept your claims on a public forum, you better have something more than just your opinion to back it up with.

Who can give me scientific proof for the existence of God, Allah, Atman, Earth Goddess, Shiva, Krishna, Jesus or Satan?

Not me, but then again, I don't believe in them either.

err.........hello.......this is a religious forum - therefore things like crystals may have meaning to some people.

Actually, this is a religious education forum.
Difference.
Also, what you privately think about crystals is your business.
I only have a problem with it when you make public claims about them.

do you really think any of the atheists here (and there are many) give two figs about crystals other than a scientific explanation - I hardly think so.

They might.
But I don't.
Of course, I also think that the scientific view is far more awesome than anything we can make up.
You know, just like Meow Mix tried to explain to you.

Talk about a one sided 'debate'.:sarcastic

Well, this is a debate forum.
It's not my fault that your 'side' has no way of substantiating its claims.

 

[Trantorfuzz]

As far as I know, the kind of crystals that you buy at New Age stores don't do anything but sit around and look pretty. I strongly recommend owning objects that sit around and look pretty, but must remind you that you can buy your crystals much more cheaply from rock shops.

This is no joke; what I'm saying is true!

--Jim G.

 

[nnmartin]

do the ones from the rock shops look as nice though?

 

[Daviso452]

Given the disrespect shown and the comparative arrogant lack of substantiation of the claims he made, I'd say the word 'reeks' was entirely accurate and fully justified.

I'll believe you. I had not seen what was posted previously and was mostly trying to say that to everyone who read it. A lot of religious debates include one side slandering the other, and I thought it was a perfect time to execute reasoning where it didn't sound preachy.

however regarding the topic of crystals, I feel that even if there was some higher power that crystals are in no way "magical" or "powerful;" In the times of ancient Greece, things that were beautiful were considered good, and the amazing beauty of crystals may have started the notion that they contained some other-worldly power. I have no evidence to support such a claim, only reason.