Are crystals magic?

[nnmartin]

NM you actualy ignored most of my post to and when you did not ignore it you twisted what i said...

you had best repost it as it seems to have got lost in the mix!

(and yes, I was referring to the Crystals and Pyramids thread)

 

[blackout]

"Positive thinking is fluff with no substance."

There is hard scentific evidence that positive thinking is benefical, healthy and reduces stressors. It can even change the way certain parts of the brain grows

Positive thoughts create positive chemical and electrical activity in the brain and body and negative thoughts create negative chemical and electrical activity in the brain and body.

Positive thinking only "works" if your aim IS Positive thinking itSelf.
If you want to change anything specific,
you will generally need to do more than "think positive".

What happens then when 'thinking positive' doesn't get you what you want?
Is this seen as a negative?
.... and can you then still be 'positive'?
Is the goal "getting what you want?"
or just "being positive".


Truth is, not everything warrants bright positive happy thoughts.

However it is good to go through life in as open and relaxed a manner as possible.
I'm not sure I'd call this "positive", more ... open....
but either way
if it does reduce stress
that is always a good thing.

Once you have reduced your level of stress,
you will be capable of so much more
all across the board.


But thinking... chanting the mantra....
"I'm gunna get the job.... I'm gunna get the job.... I'm gunna get the job...." for three years,
and never getting the job,
should tell you it's time to revisit the reality of your goals and expectations,
your abilities, and your presentation of Self in general.*

If not? I see nothing positive about this approach at all.


(perhaps your overly positive demeanor is not such a positive from the other side of the desk):cover:

 

[blackout]

Now I will say this,

The same holds true for people who partake in "magic"
as if simply chanting some words,
or lighting some candles,
or beseeching some other deity
will give them what they want,
or change their situation to suit them.

This also, is fluff.

It is exactly the same as fluffy positive thinking.

There is no'thing you can directly and TRULY change
but yourSelf.
Only the domain of your Own Self
is Yours to Author (it'y).

Now if you can learn to change your thought patterns
pragmattically and artfully,
skillfully
that is the doorway to Self trans'form'ation.
But that is a discipline (of Self),
and a practice (which requires regualr 'practice')

Truth be told,
we all/each Spell and Cast our Own realities.
Just most of us hand off a great deal of our Own Authorship to 'others'.
And that many more don't even realize they are Authors at all.

 

[shawn001]

Positive thinking only "works" if your aim IS Positive thinking itSelf.
If you want to change anything specific,
you will generally need to do more than "think positive".

What happens then when 'thinking positive' doesn't get you what you want?
Is this seen as a negative?
.... and can you then still be 'positive'?
Is the goal "getting what you want?"
or just "being positive".


Truth is, not everything warrants bright positive happy thoughts.

However it is good to go through life in as open and relaxed a manner as possible.
I'm not sure I'd call this "positive", more ... open....
but either way
if it does reduce stress
that is always a good thing.

Once you have reduced your level of stress,
you will be capable of more
all across the board.


But thinking "I'm gunna get the job.... I'm gunna get the job.... I'm gunna get the job...." for three years,
and never getting the job,
should tell you it's time to revisit the reality of your goals and expectations,
your abilities, and your presentation of Self in general.*

If not? I see nothing positive about this approach at all.


(perhaps your overly positive demeanor is not such a positive from the other side of the desk):cover:

I am not saying all you need to do in the world is think positive and you get whatever you want.

However, all I said above is true. Its been shown with fmri and pet scans and is well known in medicine for stress, depression, pain relief, reduces fear, gives you more energy, better relationships ect..




Thinking positive isn't just to get something like a job, although it helps. Its a state of mind. You can't be positive ALL the time though. Being to optimistic can be a problem as well. You shouldn't force yourself either, but train yourself.

 

[blackout]

So they merely help people use their mind to acheive things?

And when did I say that the aims of magic and the aims of science were the same?

If you were not implying that people think the aims of the two are somehow the same,
I truly do not understand what the point of the question was at all.

Why would you pose a comparitive question
if you did not feel people were making an incorrect correlation to begin with?



If I missed something contextual,
maybe just copy paste it or something.

 

[blackout]

I am not saying all you need to do in the world is think positive and you get whatever you want.

However, all I said above is true. Its been shown with fmri and pet scans and is well known in medicine for stress, depression, pain relief, reduces fear, gives you more energy, better relationships ect..




Thinking positive isn't just to get something like a job, although it helps. Its a state of mind. You can't be positive ALL the time though. Being to optimistic can be a problem as well. You shouldn't force yourself either, but train yourself.

Well if by "positive thinking",
you mean a relaxed and open demeanor,
not overly critical or Self loathing
I would agree.

Self Love is always good.
Love of Life is good.
Encouragement, as long as it's realisitc, is good.

Obviously these things will do all you referred to up above.

I think more than "positive thinking" though,
what is really helpful
is the irradication of negative thinking.
It puts you in a wide open space of possibility,

unmired and unhindered
by all kinds of Self imposed restrictions of Self and other,
which have no other basis than the state of mind of the observer.

 

[shawn001]

Well if by "positive thinking",
you mean a relaxed and open demeanor,
not overly critical or Self loathing
I would agree.

Self Love is always good.
Love of Life is good.
Encouragement, as long as it's realisitc, is good.

Obviously these things will do all you referred to up above.

I think more than "positive thinking" though,
what is really helpful
is the irradication of negative thinking.
It puts you in a wide open space of possibility,

unmired and unhindered
by all kinds of Self imposed restrictions of Self and other,
which have no other basis than the state of mind of the observer.

"I think more than "positive thinking" though,what is really helpful
is the irradication of negative thinking."

The opposite of negative thinking is of course positive thinking.

On a side note, there is exactly equal amounts of negative and positive energy in the universe.

Which is kindof like the yin and yang, good verses evil, positive and negative.

 

[blackout]

"I think more than "positive thinking" though,what is really helpful
is the irradication of negative thinking."

The opposite of negative thinking is of course positive thinking.

On a side note, there is exactly equal amounts of negative and positive energy in the universe.

Which is kindof like the yin and yang, good verses evil, positive and negative.

In the spaces between EVERY kind of thinking
is silence.

(the observer observes, the thinker thinks)

Replacing one kind of thought (mantra) with equal amounts of another kind of thought (mantra)
still leaves no (more) room for inner silence.


Q: By (equal parts of) negative and positive energy in the universe,
are you speaking of something scientific?
I am a musician, not a scientist, so I ask.

 

[blackout]

"positive thinking",
really must begin with "possible thinking".
(possibility thinking. this is more akin to magic.
ie, what is possible, and how can I bring it into being
using any possible resource/s available to me.)

The difference between disbelief and belief
is more akin to the comparison of negative thinking and positive thinking.
The suspension of disbelief,
(as well as the suspension of belief)
is like the unbiased... or quiet space inbetween.
It is the space of the quiet observer,
the author ready to write,
in which possibility reigns above all.

Magic requires no belief,
but depends largely
on the purpose'ful use of the suspension of disbelief.

 

[blackout]

Here is an example of 'magic'.

I want to hold to some shining new idea/ideal in my life.
I see it clearly in my minds eye.
I want to Set that idea there,
and I want to manifest it in my life.
Realize it out beyond the domain of my mind.

So I purpose'fully hold a clear shining crystal
which represents/symbolises that idea for me
in a way that is tactile and tangible.

If I 'infuse' the crystal with that shining new idea,
the crystal then 'becomes that' for me,
and I can hold (to) it.
It is a beginning... an "initiatory" act,
that then serves as a tactile reminder
of that shining idea...
and the clarity you first saw it with,
should your minds eye
begin to go cloudy.

The crystal also serves as a reminder
to keep looking at the manifestation of that idea/ideal
from many sides/facets.
You can turn it over in your hand
as you look inside
turning the possibilities over in your mind.

This is magic.
And anyone who says magic is of no (real/practical) use,
does not know what it is (about).

 

[Tiberius]

UV, are you a hippy?

 

[blackout]

UV, are you a hippy?

I've got nice curves if that's what you're asking. :flirt:

 

[Tiberius]

I've got nice curves if that's what you're asking. :flirt:

Rowr! Sexy!

But I meant more "flower child" kind of hippy.

 

[blackout]

Rowr! Sexy!

But I meant more "flower child" kind of hippy.

I know what you meant. :rainbow1:

But at this point in my life
I do think the hippiest thing about me is actually my hips.

I don't often wear tie dyes anymore,
and only went to one grateful dead show ever.
I like patchuly oil yes, but then I like many essential oils.
I would still eat organic if I could afford it
and I don't own a smoke filled VW van.

I don't know what that makes me.

OTOH I do have purple hair
and a nose stud.
mostly wear black.
love purple lights in dark rooms.

I don't know what that makes me either.

oh yes,
and I do not own any crystals mySelf,
though I have nothing at all against them.

Make of that
what you will.

EDIT: oh, and I REALLY dislike bellbottoms.
on mySelf, anyway.

 

[nnmartin]

UV, are you a hippy?

are you a hippy Tiberius?

I think not somehow...

 

[nnmartin]

Well, actually, it's been people saying there is no scientific evidence for magic in general and magic connected to crystals in particular. If you feel that this is bashing spirituality, then I'm sorry, but there are countless scientists who are also spiritual.

Ok, so how does spirituality and science work then - wouldn't that be a kind of oxymoron?

surely ,according to an atheist scientist, anything religious or spiritual must be 'all in the mind' or due to some kind of law of physics.

any examples?

 

[blackout]

Tiberious thinks there's a connection between Hippies and Crystals maybe?

Does that mean there's also a connection between Hippies and Geologists?

It's all so confusing.:faint:

 

[nnmartin]

assuming that you are not on the hunt for more 'bashing fodder' let's have a look at some of these.

Ok martin...Im willing to learn and try your ideas... so some questions.

2. do different crystals have different powers?
3. what is this god force?
4. does being an atheist mean i can not use crystals magicaly? (keep in mind i work with crystals)

2. Yes

3. The immanent Force of the Universe

4. yes - ie: you cannot use them magically

 

[nnmartin]

UV: yes, it's quite apparent anything sounding vaguely New Age, hippyish , Pagan or Wiccan is up for ridicule.

apart from theology there's not much difference in believing in Crystals/Holy Grail , God/Goddess, Angels/Fairies, Holy Spirit/Force, Mary/Diana , Blood of Christ/Essential oils.

same principles - no reason why they aren't manifestations of the same thing.

In my view, if you dismiss the possibility of any of these things you dismiss them all.

 

[blackout]

assuming that you are not on the hunt for more 'bashing fodder' let's have a look at some of these.




2. Yes

3. The immanent Force of the Universe

4. yes - ie: you cannot use them magically

re. #4- Plenty of athiests practice magic,
so I would have to disagree.