blackout
Violet.
If the rock itself holds intrinsic power/life force,
why would it really matter how 'nice' it looks?
While asthetics are nice yes,
in such a case it wouldn't really matter.
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Are crystals magic?
- Thread starter nnmartin
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If the rock itself holds intrinsic power/life force,
why would it really matter how 'nice' it looks?
While asthetics are nice yes,
in such a case it wouldn't really matter.
nnmartin
Well-Known Member
The look and shape is important , it affects the magic.
Anyway, enough about the magical properties for now - this is clearly anti-crystal territory here.
I think it's time to re-visit the OP.
Note the religious and spiritual overtones in this post.
Note how the post focuses on how or if crystals have a connection to your religion.
Note how the post does not lead one on into thinking that a scientific answer is being looked for.
Note how the post would not be appealing to atheists.
Note, due to the general nuance of the post, a debate over the definition of the word 'magic' is pointless.
Finally note how the atheists and the like have hi-jacked this thread into a scientific bashing of a spiritual theme.
Anyway, enough about the magical properties for now - this is clearly anti-crystal territory here.
I think it's time to re-visit the OP.
Note the religious and spiritual overtones in this post.
Note how the post focuses on how or if crystals have a connection to your religion.
Note how the post does not lead one on into thinking that a scientific answer is being looked for.
Note how the post would not be appealing to atheists.
Note, due to the general nuance of the post, a debate over the definition of the word 'magic' is pointless.
Finally note how the atheists and the like have hi-jacked this thread into a scientific bashing of a spiritual theme.
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Tiberius
Well-Known Member
Have you tested this assumption to see if it is true? If so, how?
I have no problem with crystals, Martin.
I have a problem with someone coming in here, making claims, not providing any support for those claims, and then telling anyone who disagrees that they are wrong.
Okay.
In the Bible, crystals are described as being:
Clear: Revelation 22:1
Terrible:Ezekiel 1:22
Like a sea of glass: Revelation 4:6
Unequal to the finding of wisdom: Job 28:17
Not sure if there are other instances.
As I am not a member of those religions, I cannot answer for them. However, most people use crystals on a daily basis, even without realising it. Quarts is a component in digital watches, there are liquid crystals in an LCD screen. Some of the more expensive camera lenses are made of crystal. It's used in making goblets. We use crystals to flavour our food (salt). And as I've mentioned before, every single rock on the planet is made up of crystals.
Please define this force you speak of and explain how you can sense it emanating from the crystal.
No.
That doesn't mean that non-religious can't answer.
Actually, you said, "is there any place for crystals with you", which does not exclude a non-religious answer.
Well, you asked if crystals are magic, and I said no. If you disagree, I will explain to you that crystals are not magic because there is no scientific evidence for magic in any form,a nd certainly no scientific evidence for magic in connection with crystals. Unless you are saying that we aren't allowed to use science in this thread, then I don't see how you can complain when it is used.
Then I certainly wouldn't have replied.
If we refuse to define the word "magic" then any conversation about it is meaningless. Any word that has no definition is meaningless.
Well, actually, it's been people saying there is no scientific evidence for magic in general and magic connected to crystals in particular. If you feel that this is bashing spirituality, then I'm sorry, but there are countless scientists who are also spiritual.
What we are bashing is accepting something without evidence and ignoring evidence that refutes a viewpoint. As far as I am concerned, a person would have to be quite stupid to hold onto a viewpoint when there was testable, repeatable and verifiable scientific evidence that says that the particular viewpoint is wrong. Do you disagree?
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blackout
Violet.
Magic does not seek, or pretend, to explain the world in which we live.
This is not it's role, function, or it's reason for being.
The notion that magic would/(might) explain the world in which we live
and/or the (implied) insinuation that it is 'inferior' to science
(in 'terms' of science)
is as nonsensical as putting out a newspaper and a toilet paper roll
and asking which of the two does the better job of wiping your bum.
(as if it were a serious question, or it "proved" something about the newspaper-in terms of inferiority)
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Tiberius
Well-Known Member
Then how can it be said to apply to any part of the world in which we live?
And I would have to ask why you kept a newspaper in the bathroom at all.
The simple fact is that if you are right and magic tells us nothing about the world in which we live, then what is the point of it?
blackout
Violet.
You keep a newspaper in the bathroom
to read
while you're sitting on your porcelain throne.
(before you wipe your bum with the toilet paper)
You practice magic to effectively help you make/REALize changes in yourSelf,
in your Psyche, your Subjective Reality, and then out into the world
where many Subjective Realities interact and work together
in matters of Objective change and development.
You can also practice "illusionary" magic out in the world
by effecting the changes/manifestations you seek
through the "changing" of peoples' minds
or the pragmatic observance of the tendencies of their 'Vision',
and the "grabbing" of their attention.
(ie, look.. focus here....
see this.... and not that....)
It could be as simple as the way one purposefully re'presents themSelf
at a job interview.
It could be a lawyer in a courtroom,
or a salesman closing a deal.
Sometimes we call this charisma,
which does not come naturally to many of us.
(bringing us back to my original underlined statement)
Magic begins in the Psyche,
and it seeks to effect change.
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Tiberius
Well-Known Member
Then like I asked... What';s the point of it?
Which has nothing to do with wiping your bum. You are missing the point I was trying to make...
I don't see how crystals play an essential part in that. Sounds to me like what you call magic is merely the power of positive thinking.
Like I said, it sounds like positive thinking.
Positive thinking. Doesn't need anything apart from the mind, and it is based on creating ideas about yourself in your mind. No need for crystals or anything else.
What you have discussed is stuff that comes from a person's MIND. Not crystals. So if it comes from the mind, how can you use this as an argument to say that crystals have some magic? At best, they'd be like Dumbo's magic feather.
blackout
Violet.
Positive thinking is fluff with no substance.
Besides that, I certainly never said that crystals were 'magic'.
Some things help some people relax,
meditate,
focus,
become introspective.
Could be a rock or a pillow.
Some things hold useful symbolic meaning
for some people.
Could be a feather or a boulder.
Some things relax the psyche.
Some things stimulate it.
Some things aid it in it's aims.
Some things 'trigger' it.
Some things re-mind it.
Some things help it Set to a certain chosen form.
(like my refrigerator Sets Jello. -- that's science.
)
Perceptive and thorough Self Awareness and Self Analysis,
or the Methodical Observation of Self,
is the Ultimate Gem
of the Maga.
Purposeful Suspension of Disbelief is the Catlyst/Setting Agent.
The Artisan Realizes and Shapes the totality of her Psyche.
She seeks to Become as her Own work of Art.
She is in fact, her own Masterwork.
"Positive thinking" - as most people understand and practice it
generally results in a bunch of psyches
walking around with their heads in the clouds.
Besides that, I certainly never said that crystals were 'magic'.
Some things help some people relax,
meditate,
focus,
become introspective.
Could be a rock or a pillow.
Some things hold useful symbolic meaning
for some people.
Could be a feather or a boulder.
Some things relax the psyche.
Some things stimulate it.
Some things aid it in it's aims.
Some things 'trigger' it.
Some things re-mind it.
Some things help it Set to a certain chosen form.
(like my refrigerator Sets Jello. -- that's science.
)Perceptive and thorough Self Awareness and Self Analysis,
or the Methodical Observation of Self,
is the Ultimate Gem
of the Maga.
Purposeful Suspension of Disbelief is the Catlyst/Setting Agent.
The Artisan Realizes and Shapes the totality of her Psyche.
She seeks to Become as her Own work of Art.
She is in fact, her own Masterwork.
"Positive thinking" - as most people understand and practice it
generally results in a bunch of psyches
walking around with their heads in the clouds.
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blackout
Violet.
Crystals are rocks.
Now reread my previous post #232.
As for magic?
You were the one who wrongly inferred that the aims of magic
had something to do with the aims of science.
I was merely correcting you.
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blackout
Violet.
Your question (underlined),
clearly carried the implication.
Or why would you have even begged the question?
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
That is not begging the question.
To beg the question means to assume as a premise the very thing you wish to prove.
My point about the question was that the idea of magic is of no practical use and has no measurable influence in the world we live in. There is no reason to accept it as true.
To beg the question means to assume as a premise the very thing you wish to prove.
My point about the question was that the idea of magic is of no practical use and has no measurable influence in the world we live in. There is no reason to accept it as true.
Ok martin...Im willing to learn and try your ideas... so some questions.
1. What properties do crystals have?
2. do different crystals have different powers?
3. what is this god force?
4. does being an atheist mean i can not use crystals magicaly? (keep in mind i work with crystals)
5. what does the athestics?
6. what aboput gem stones?
7 what about mettals like gold and silver?
8. what about stones?
9. if stones have no power what about geods?
10. if crystals have a god force maybe stones have a devil force?
11. how do i use crystals?
12. will books like the crystal bible be of any help?
13 how when and why do i use crystals.
14. how do i know what crystal to use?
15 how do i detect which crystals have the god force and which ones do not...
1. What properties do crystals have?
2. do different crystals have different powers?
3. what is this god force?
4. does being an atheist mean i can not use crystals magicaly? (keep in mind i work with crystals)
5. what does the athestics?
6. what aboput gem stones?
7 what about mettals like gold and silver?
8. what about stones?
9. if stones have no power what about geods?
10. if crystals have a god force maybe stones have a devil force?
11. how do i use crystals?
12. will books like the crystal bible be of any help?
13 how when and why do i use crystals.
14. how do i know what crystal to use?
15 how do i detect which crystals have the god force and which ones do not...
shawn001
Well-Known Member
Positive thinking is fluff with no substance.
Besides that, I certainly never said that crystals were 'magic'.
Some things help some people relax,
meditate,
focus,
become introspective.
Could be a rock or a pillow.
Some things hold useful symbolic meaning
for some people.
Could be a feather or a boulder.
Some things relax the psyche.
Some things stimulate it.
Some things aid it in it's aims.
Some things 'trigger' it.
Some things re-mind it.
Some things help it Set to a certain chosen form.
(like my refrigerator Sets Jello. -- that's science.
Perceptive and thorough Self Awareness and Self Analysis,
or the Methodical Observation of Self,
is the Ultimate Gem
of the Maga.
Purposeful Suspension of Disbelief is the Catlyst/Setting Agent.
The Artisan Realizes and Shapes the totality of her Psyche.
She seeks to Become as her Own work of Art.
She is in fact, her own Masterwork.
"Positive thinking" - as most people understand and practice it
generally results in a bunch of psyches
walking around with their heads in the clouds.
"Positive thinking is fluff with no substance."
There is hard scentific evidence that positive thinking is benefical, healthy and reduces stressors. It can even change the way certain parts of the brain grows
Positive thoughts create positive chemical and electrical activity in the brain and body and negative thoughts create negative chemical and electrical activity in the brain and body.